Below is a copy/paste of an ongoing discussion concerning pe sla and other things- for me it raises a few questions regarding LRI, and with all due respect, Sara Jumping Eagles apparent inability to advocate for or post the Annie petition while at the same time being able to advocate, produce, and post videos on LRI.
LRI is increasingly showing itself to be an AIM affiliate-like local stations are affiliates of major broadcasting networks-no way will they endanger the support base AIM is for them.
Sara Jumping Eagle is listed on the LRI site as an editor and organizer-I assume that means a staff member with some measure of control over content. As an indigenous woman operating in that capacity on a pro AIM site she says she knows very little about AIM, and doesn’t have much to say about Annie-maybe that’s true-but I suspect one would have to live under a rock for it to be so-that and wear a blindfold and earplugs when engaging in work or association with LRI.
LRI is a slick site-well put together and with a lot of bling -nothing wrong with that, but any claim of being the Last Real Indians and representative of “real Indians” is bogus on the very face of it if they won’t address the issue of Annie Mae and Ray Robinson-and at least do so from a factual and neutral perspective.
I’ve attempted to maintain a middle of the road approach during all this, asking only questions that are reasonable and germane-we have made a donation on this end as the issue transcends other considerations-but I’m going to repeat what I have said-this is not singularly a Lakota issue and I’m not enamored that an emphasis has been placed on that to make it appear as though it is.
Furthermore if an implication is made in the name Last Real Indians that only the DNL are, or Chase and his staff are, or AIM is-Id say they need to step back from that.
I won’t be in the least bit surprised if the liberators show up at the auction for the media opportunity it will present despite having little or nothing to say in the build up.
I’m going to sit back now and watch as this unfolds-hopefully it all works out well. Respect to those of good hearts who are involved for all the right reasons.
Katarzyna Wojnar Hoofz, it’s OK, no one here is against anyone really- we just clearing out doubts and doing friendly double check on each other after adventures we had here. Don’t take it very personal 
We are truly grateful you shared athat topic/issue so it can be discussed, you did a good thing – and we will support it way we can and find appropriate from our side…
WE wouldn’t mind also to have give back of support regarding Annie Mae story and Wounded Knee event from Lakota- as it happened on their VERY SACRED grounds …
We can start from signing and sharing among Pe’Sla defenders this one http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Truth_about_story_of_Annie_mae_Pictou_Aquash_and_Wounded_Knee_1975_event_and_all_victims_of_that_event/edit/
Truth about ANNIE MAE PICTOU – AQUASH and Wounded Knee 1972-1975 event; and about ALL other victims
http://www.avaaz.org
REMEMBERING ANNIE MAE PICTOU – AQUASH, WHO SHE WAS AND WHAT SHE STOOD FOR. To a…See More
6 hours ago · · 2
Rez Hoofz Well it sure seems like joe is attacking me for the post lol. And now thinks im dick’s doughter. Lol he said to research. People .. he sure didn’t do a good job with me. Lol I do know dick but im not his blood. Why do people jump to the negative …first. it would be nice if we all could just come together with out bad mouthing eachother for once. There will always be something that we don’t like or understand. But if we keep fighting and bad mouthing eachother nothing will ever get done. My grandpa all ways told me to be open minded and to love everyone no mater what. Cause in the end it could be a test. I never take sides and just want the best for the people. Keep it simple no need to complicate. Every thing. Geee … but oh well. What do I know I just paint all day in my cousins basement all day to make a living for my family. This will be the last time I try to do good.
5 hours ago via mobile · · 1
Rez Hoofz Yup just dig up all the durt u can to hurt eachother that how us natives are! Im shamed. Let’s just keep cutting eachouthe down. Seems like it does us so much good … people pleas omfg!
5 hours ago via mobile ·
Joe Wade Rez Hoofz, thanks for clarifying the question of relationship to Marshall, to be very clear, there is no fight here, just answers being sought for uncertainties and lack of confidence, expressing points of peculiar occurrences that could be underlying factors for motives and curiosity about the schedule of which this issue is unfolding and where it is going.
My personal “opinions” about smucks working on people’s sympathy, is what it is, based on past events and comments within the pr of this issue, such as building a highway through sacred lands, which has nothing to do with the title transfer, if the county elects to pave that road, it will likely do so and “ownership” of the tracts of land for sale will not deter them.
as per my previous comment “it would be respectful for the lands to remain undisturbed any more than they already have been up to this point”
5 hours ago · · 1
Rez Hoofz Even if dick was my dad don’t I have my own mind and wouldn’t u want to ask me about what I think first instead of pointing fingers . Lol this just seems so fed up to me. You don’t even know me to be questioning me. This might be the reason people dont help . Now that I have tried and seen how some people are so quick to point fingers. I will never ever help again. Can some one pleaes remove me from this group
4 hours ago via mobile ·
Joe Wade hmmmm, did anyone notice dab smack in the middle of the Black Hills, just 1/2 south of the tracts of land for sale is ,
“Borderlands Education and Spiritual Center offers a peaceful and nurturing environment for pilgrimages and other programs, individual retreats, and family and community gatherings. Borderlands Center is located at Borderlands Ranch that occupies 135 acres of high plains, pine forest and slate cliffs in the Pe Sla – the heart of the heart of Lakota sacred land -the Black Hills of South Dakota.
The activities of Borderlands, grounded in the common values of Lakota and Celtic heritage and spirituality, are dedicated to the work of personal, cultural and environmental reconciliation. Through educational and spiritual events, programs and retreats, Borderlands Center offers to seekers, travelers, pilgrims and casual visitors an environment that promotes the healing of ourselves, our relationships and our Earth. Interfaith, intercultural and intergenerational, Borderlands offers programs and experiences of worship that honor and are inspired by the created order and its many faith traditions. Everyone who comes to Borderlands, whether a casual visitor or a spiritual pilgrim, becomes part of the global community.”
http://www.borderlandsranch.org/
Borderlands ranch is an education and spiritual center in the Black Hills of South Dakota.
borderlandsranch.org
Borderlands Ranch in the Black Hills of South Dakota offers a spiritual retreat center for pilgrimages of all sizes.
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade continuity of issue posted at Borderland website
Preservation of the Prairie
Help preserve the 120 acres of prairie next to Borderlands by contributing to its purchase for protection from development and to hold it sacred for prayer and ceremonies.
3 hours ago · · 1
Sara Jumping Eagle Joe Wade – I don’t know who you are-
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle yet you must have some lessons to learn regarding WOLAKOTA
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I am the person who created the Pe’ Sla indigogo webstie
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I am the person who created the video of my daughter for the website
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle so Joe Wade if you have something to say about any of those things, I am listening…
3 hours ago · · 1
Joe Wade Will Banks, CrowDog and affiliates get in on the Borderlands pay to pray gig as well?
“Pilgrimage fees begin with a flat fee of $6000 for any number of pilgrims up to 10 persons,”
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle All of the funds raised by the Indigogo Pe’ Sla funding site will be used for the stated purpose.. if you have questions regarding this, look up the indigogo policies
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle use of the funds for other purposes is NOT allowed – so maybe you should do some reading and listening, before opening your mouth, like ,,….ummmm CUSTER
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle My daughter, is a beautiful little person, who asked what she could do to help, she is articulate, is in plays, and loves doing these things, if she wants to help Pe’ Sla, then who are you to question her? What are you doing to protect sacred sites Joe Wade?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle Yes, it is so much easier, to run other people down, than it is to do something, yet you know, it seems like it takes so much more energy to be negative, than it does to be hopeful and to unite for a future where our children can pray in a sacred place
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young She is very cute and articulate
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I put my daughter in that video bc she is the reason we are doing this
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle so some day she can take her children there and pray
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle it is at least partly bc of this effort, that we have had national and international attention on this issue – and THAT is PRICELESS……
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade According to the Rev. Linda Kramer, founding director of Borderlands Education & Spiritual Center, which is located on Pe Sla, tribes would need around $10 million to secure the parcel up for grabs next month. Kramer said the Reynolds family has partitioned the land into five plots for saleability.
If tribes are unable to raise the money by Aug. 25 to purchase the plots and thereby protect their common vested interest in Pe Sla, the area will be open to commercial development, she said.
“I don’t know if (any tribes) can get together on getting the money together before August,” said Kramer, who was adopted by the Sicangu Lakota, or Rosebud Sioux Tribe, in a Hunka, or Making of Relatives, ceremony.
http://64.38.12.138/News/2012/006372.asp?print=1
Indianz.Com > Native Sun News: Venerated Lakota site put up on auction block
64.38.12.138
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3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle so Joe Wade instead of talking smack about my friends and my husband and my daughter, what are you going to do to help?>
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle no answer huh… just choosing other people to run down…
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle shows who you are… unsica
3 hours ago ·
Aaron Smith When an organization promotes to raise millions of dollars, it is expected to be scrutinized and questions voiced. Joe Wade asked concerning questions and it seems the one who was asked a question became defensive. It’s questions we all would like answered so if we want to donate to the cause, we do so with our eyes open.
3 hours ago · · 3
Sara Jumping Eagle To address the other issues you had previously mentioned on here…. if you READ the campaign and watched the video…. you know that we aim to preserve the area for all tribal nations… the goal is also to raise funds to contribute the funds in collaboration with the OCeti Sakowin… so yes a goal of $1million dollars is lofty, yet when we are discussing an issue that affects indigenous people WORLDWIDE, $1million dollars is a pittance
3 hours ago ·
Aaron Smith But as a potential donater and see the up rise here over simple questions, I will take my money elsewhere…. maybe Ojibwe country.
3 hours ago · Edited ·
Joe Wade interesting what truths come to surface and start to show when the cage is rattled , no?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle The auction had been advertised since the spring, yet I had only heard about it in early August
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade someone please msg GeriSmith to get in here!
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle We also aimed to raise enough money to help the tribes be able to raise the funds to buy Pe’ Sla through raising awareness and collaboration, and thus far those goals are being met… through hope and positivity
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young I believe that saving pe ‘Sla is a noble cause and will keep sharing the information to get people interested and talking hopefully giving too. But I must point out that this is a page about justice for Annie Mae and all I have ever heard from LRI concerning justice for Annie Mae is a whole lot of nothing. Why do we hear nothing from LRI about Annie Mae? water under the bridge? Not for her family or any of the AIM members who witnessed her death march. I challenge LRI to post an article byDenise Pictou Maloney (or if she doesn’t want to) myself concerning Annie Mae and the facts concerning her case. Thank you.
3 hours ago · · 2
Sara Jumping Eagle If you have more specific questions please keep asking… as I would rather answer them directly… than see rumor and inuendo about my family… Hecetu Ye!
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Kira, that is obvious, because LRI does not support Justice for Annie Mae, those likes have discarded justice for her and shored up with support for the murdering rapists
3 hours ago · · 2
Kira Young My questions have been answered. I support the cause to save pe ‘Sla. Will you support our cause to bring the truth to NDN country concerning Annie Mae’s death?
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young There are still so many lies surrounding her kidnapping, torture rape and murder purpatrated by her friends and fellow AIM members that it is our aim to set the record strait using facts rather than propaganda.
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young Will there be an answer to my challenge?
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Kira, you can “Bank” on no further replies from those who support those oppressors , they have now left the conversation.
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young gotcha
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young It appears so. I guess all that hand shaking and piture taking with Mr. Banks and the other old AIM guard would not be possible if they allowed Annie Maes family to truth-tell through their media site.
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade That is to say, their stance is , Annie Mae, Perry Ray etc , is not worth their time or concern
3 hours ago · · 1
Kira Young It appears that you have a point Joe Wade
3 hours ago · · 1
Sara Jumping Eagle I just wrote a lengthy response and my computer glitched
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle let me try again 
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young ok thank you
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young I thought I ran you away which was not my intention
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle Kira Young – gotcha nothing… what i was saying, before my whole post was deleted.. by my poor internet connection
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle is that I would recommend that you write something up and submit it to LRI
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young i understand waiting for your reply
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young why write something that will never be posted?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I am not directly involved in LRI, I only became involved because this issue with Pe’ Sla that I feel very strongly about…
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle LRI has aims to support ALL indigenous people around the world
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle If you don’t try, you will never know
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle and you can sit there and say whatever you want and talk negative,,, and say see I told you so…. yet it is the people doing… and maybe falling… and we are all human and make mistakes at times.. yet responsible for our own mistakes.. I am human too… like my initial anger at James or Joe Wade or whatever your name is…
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle
maybe you can say I am naive.. yet who would have thought we would have raised that much money in less than two weeks for a sacred site>? I have hope that if people know about the issues that we as Native people face, they will want to hel…See More
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Denial is a strong tool used to control and deceive people
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle and inertia gets you nowhere
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young so can I reserve a hearty I told you so when the article is not posted? I just really don’t have a lot of hope that it will be but I will try. I don’t have enough BQ to get posted on there.
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle BQ?
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young blood quantum LOL
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle u can reserve all u want…. have u read the other posts on there? and looked at their pics?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle nowhere on there does it discuss BQ
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young sure have – great site love it!
3 hours ago · · 1
Kira Young I’m trying to joke at the same time being serious but I will try. I will.
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle thanks for listening, and semi sorry for Custer comment
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young LOL
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Nowhere on there does it discuss how AIM ordered the execution, nor how AIM members raped and murdered Annie Mae, thou you will find supporting discussions for those responsible being valorized and glorified
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle supporting discussions? each person has their own opinion.. there are many guest writers there… just like the newspapers
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young This is kind of why I don’t think it will be posted. Also all the instagram pics of chase with Dennis Banks too.
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. just like yours
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle so write it…
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle or start your own website?
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young i will Sara thank you.
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle maybe you should contact Chase Iron Eyesdirectly and ask him about his opinions about AIM?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle or is that too non-INERT for you?>
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Sara, “Facts” , not opinions, AIM leadership ordered the execution, AIM members kidnapped, raped, beat and murdered Annie Mae, and leadership and members lied to all for over 35 years about their actions
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade those are not opinions, those are facts
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young my last discussion with him didn’t go so well. It involved a psycho rapist bu the name of David Moor who was using his name to terrorize women trying to cut of contact with David. He seems quite unconcerned.
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle you are discussing Chase Iron Eyes opinions about AIM.. you are not discussing anything that he stated about Anna Mae and that is a fact
2 hours ago ·
Kira Young even said my middle name was rich when I made a comment about what david was doing as being “rich”
2 hours ago ·
Joe Wade why contact Chase about his opinion of AIM when it is well displayed as in this flyer, http://rezinate.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/traversie-poster.jpg?w=627
http://rezinate.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/traversie-poster.jpg?w=627
rezinate.files.wordpress.com
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I don’t know about AIM, so I can’t really talk about that…sorry to say… I just wanted to clear up some inuendos (?sp) about the fundraising site…
2 hours ago ·
Kira Young I think that was meant as an insult but I tryed to keep the discussion in topic
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle what was an insult?
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle something i said?
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle no, I am sorry, I didn’t mean to insult you Kira,
2 hours ago ·
Kira Young nothing you said sara – my last conversation with chase
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle
I don’t know what all happened with flyers and such, sorry to say Wade …I am involved with this fundraiser and I am telling you about this and the aims and goals of this effort for Pe’ Sla.. It sounds like there were some bad experiences…See More
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I wish you the best… I hope you apologize to Joy… she is a beautiful and generous person and she was probably an ally , and you hurt her feelings… Please if you have questions for me, feel free to ask, but know that if you disparage my work, I will have something to say about it; I can’t answer for what other people did in the past.
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle Rezhoofz
2 hours ago ·
Brian Wilkes With respect, anyone who has misgiving about LRI can STILL donate, as I have, directly to the Rosebud Sioux Tribe via PayPal. This issue is bigger than personalities.
Help Us – Protect Pe Sla
protectpesla.org
The Rosebud Sioux Tribe is working with LastRealIndians.com to accept donations…See More
2 hours ago · · 3
Sara Jumping Eagle LILILILILILI!
2 hours ago · · 1
Brian Wilkes Only regret it couldn’t have been more.
What hasn’t been said until 6hrs ago , the petition deadline extended beyond the auction date
at the petition site:
Lastrealindians posted an announcement 6 hours ago
As you have noted,the Fight for Pe’ Sla Campaign Team has decided to extend our fundraising deadline in order to raise more funds towards our goal of $1 million dollars.
Also in the updates section I believe it is mention is made of a contingency plan involving land around
Bear Butte-that wasn’t mentioned until questions began being asked.
At least there is a back up plan, but it would have been better I think to make that part of the original
presentation seeing that there was a concern whether the specified amount could be achieved.
If the pe sla effort fails does that imply the fund raising will continue with the focus on Bear Butte?
If a parcel is purchased at pe sla will the drive continue for Bear Butte?
A lot of talk about some sort of government intervention-I don’t believe that is likely-but I wouldn’t
be surprised to see an eleventh hour attempt to get an injunction or a suit/legal challenge post sale.
In court is where Mr. attorney Chase Iron Eyes will likely cash in for services rendered. On his LRI page it states ” All donations to the tribe are tax-deductible and will only be used toward the purchase of Pe’ Sla.”
thou that does not mean Chase can not make a career in the courts with funding from the tribe. Any way one cuts into this issue, people donated believing they were submitting money for tracks of land to be auctioned this Saturday. The contingency plan you mention was posted 2 days ago. In other words, the global community that gave, has been deceived.
posted 2 days ago at petition site: “Our contingency plan at this time, is to put the funds towards purchasing and protecting other lands that_may also become available at Pe’ Sla or in the sacred Black Hills, such as near Bear Butte,
looks like this is petition intent # 3 hitting the table, on the updates page
Sara Jumping Eagle , Aug 28th
(….) We appreciate the continued fundraising efforts as any funds will go directly towards offsetting costs for tribes that need to continue to benefit Lakota families everyday living needs. (….)
Wondering who will get the perks off of that fund raising , unfolding like a typical AIM script
Well it all sounds good on the surface-very humanitarian, but I can’t think of another fund
raising campaign or even a telethon that changed it’s stated purpose three time.
I’d like to know who will be administrating this distribution of funds and what the criteria
will be.
This is beginning to sound an awful lot like Yellow Thunder Camp and that “immersion”
school.
In addition I’d like to know how much Banks and Clyde got for their appearance at the
Traverise rally-how much was raised in total and what amount went to Traverise.
As of now I’m changing my position of advocating for others to contribute until such
time as the above questions are answered.
Folks are always trying to get your (rezinate) identity out of me and I hate to tell them, even I do not know. I don’t really care either. I just try to get people to see the gigantic hole in their logic that it is all about the People – all NDNz and that just doesn’t hold up when there is still a family in NDN country that the lied to masses are afraid to support.
Kira-I’ve covered this previously in other blogs-there are those who comment in the blog
that know me, some who have come to know as a result of the blog. I’m not looking to
promote myself, make videos, or sell books or prayers, so that is enough for me.
The truth is what it is and stands alone-better for the truth to be accepted at face value than
untruths accepted because they come from a name or a face-like Means, Banks.
I have posted around the net prior to the blog -was pretty open about things and wound
up getting email hacked and trojaned more than once, also spammed with all the sell out
and name calling BS.
The spam alone this blog receives is staggering-numbering literally in the thousands-but
wp and Askimet are very good at catching it.
When the topic of blogging came up others concerned about more of the same were
encouraging but asked that “discretion” be applied-so that’s the way of it-if any have
a problem with that no one is twisting their arm to visit the blog that I know of.
A website has been developed and being fine tuned that I intend to open-date undetermined
as yet-some even want to develop it into an indigenous news site-if that eventuates there isn’t
going to be any political correctness, I don’t consider myself related to thieves, liars, murderers,
or rapists, as in we all related.
A part of the “mission statement” will be to give no quarter and ask for none involving any of the
issues or people addressed in this blog. It will be open with the ability for people to respond or
contribute an “article” if they like.
I’m not a journalist in any sense of the word, so I don’t know about the news thing, though some
who would be involved are qualified.
I/we would think of this as a counter balance to all the sites springing up pandering to AIM and
the liberators- and one things for sure, if a need were pointed out we won’t be collecting donations,
though providing a link if appropriate and reputable wouldn’t be a problem.
So much of what is being seen and said on the net about tradition and history is pure fantasy-
things like no evidence of pre Columbian warfare, Aztecs doing open heart surgery rather
than ritual sacrifice, the absence of scalping prior to the invasion, a mere 300 warriors at the big
horn-there was more than that among the non lakota alone-all of it bs -and most of it
emanating from the great revisionist Means. That is something else we would address.
I don’t ask personal information of people- I’m not a FB kind of person that feels compelled to
bare all things for the world to see, and I decide who I will trust and who I won’t. Someone posts
a user name, an avatar or gravatar that’s good enough for me, as time will tell where their heart
is.
I have a life and people in it other than this blog-I am protective of those things- and people can
make of it what they will.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/09/12/pe-sla-owners-accept-9m-offer-from-tribes-133746
They love you enough to mention you.
Thanks for the heads up Kira-perhaps it was the questions raised by many that toned
down all the stated redirections of where and how the donations would be used, and
served to rededicate them to the original stated purpose.
If so I’d say that’s a good thing, and respect to all who asked such questions.
In being mentioned I wonder if this means I have now arrived and can begin selling
syrup, ebooks and prayers, or seeking donations for various “schools”, “camps”,
and other “projects” that just never quite materialize?
Well “fame” is fleeting they say-fifteen minutes worth-so I need to get busy now and
attempt to enrich myself at the expense of those who have the least.
If anyone knows where there’s some roadkill I could use to fashion regalia or a warbonnet
for myself with I would appreciate being notified of such..
too bad the article did not mention the rash of insults and attacks on people at their Pe Sla fb site when simple questions about indeigogo service fees arose which resulted in Ruth Hopkins a campaign team member started casting accusations leading into attacks on those seeking an understanding. http://docs.com/NLD5 , That thread has now been removed from the Pe Sla fb page.
when one looks at the timeline of events of the fund raising campaign , it is no wonder people are in question as this unfolds. For example, both LRI and Borderlands continue to refuse any reply whether or not monies from the campaign might be used for purchase of the 120 acres Borderlands Ranch is fund raising for, as in other lands Chase said the funds would be used for is the Reynolds property bid was not successful.
Quit a mess it is , the Means at which the fund raising was conducted, and you can Bank on this , it will get worse as long as LRI refuses to be transparent. Today at the Pe Sla fb site a member states in reference to people asking for an understanding about indiegogo fees and for an understanding of other fundraising donations,
Glyn Jones …. “I also notice that two people who have voiced concerns on this page a little too often, whether or not they are valid, are busy there rubbishing lastrealindians rather than being patient enough to allow them to recover first, from their great efforts, before replying to their questions.”
LRI and affiliates needs time to rest before they can be transparent ?.
timeline of events, http://jpwade.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/i-know-its-shining-down-like-water/
Someone once told me , “do not rattle the cage before entering” , If truth rattles the cage, then those who have something to hide have to deal with it, because i will rattle it like crazy.
That’s known as news blocking JP-too funny about needing time to recuperate.
I find it interesting that “real Indians” won’t address the murder of Annie Mae or
Ray from at least a neutral viewpoint-after all it is news, and it is about one “real Indian”.
I assume though that in doing so it would rattle the AIM cage.
If not in error Embassies need Ambassadors, this is getting funnier every day, posted at the official campaign Pe`Sla fb page today:
Joseph Camps Highcountry: Maybe LRI could discuss to convert some land near or in Rapid city under the Great Sioux Nations and 1851 Treaty and build a Joint Truist Headquarters for the tribes. Maybe LRI and other organizations can have offices there. Maybe call it an Embassy. ?
I sure hope that fund raising money, and future fund raising money does not start falling through holes in the floor. This could very well turn into into a modern day Paint your Wagon saga, LOL
Men who be kings jp -or at least viewed as Statesmen. Good thing Eastwood chose acting as a career rather than singing.
I think it is a good thing that a deal has been struck-what I don’t get excited about it
is very obviously the claim and direction being taking is that this is singularly Lakota land
with no thought of those who inhabited long before they showed up.
Some claim was made that the Lakota had been there for at least ten thousand years-try
since the 1700′s if accuracy is important-that’s the century in which they were driven westward
form their homeland by the Ojibwe.
Will these other nations now have to ask for permission to enter or hold ceremonies? Will they have to pay a fee, some honorarium to offset the purchase price-will there be “scheduling” conflicts?
Placing it in “trust”, I assume with the government, may not be a good idea-that hasn’t always worked out well in the past- I maintain the correct approach is to recognize the status of all the nations who inhabited the area and held it to be scared before the Lakota arrived, and to create a council of elders with the Lakota and those other nations as equal members with equal input to overlook the land, maintain it, and make decisions related to it.
I didn’t expect that to be the way it when I first suggested it and apparently it won’t be- so much for we all related and doing things like “real Indians”.
During the height of the plains war nations rode, fought, bled,and died side by side for a common defense and common good-apparently during those times other nations were seen as equals who shared a common bond and claim to the land-equally as apparent is that it is no longer the belief.
But then this is the 21st century and assimilation has taken a toll-too many wasichu influences and attitudes prevail-one reason the nations are experiencing the internal troubles they are.
Transparency should have been the hallmark from day one-failure to do so only leads
to questions-something an attorney should be well aware of.
As to fees here’s the wiki on it: Users publicize the projects themselves through Facebook, Twitter and similar platforms. The site levies a 4% fee for successful campaigns. For campaigns that fail to raise their target amount, users have the option of either refunding all money to their contributors at no charge or keeping all money raised but with a 9% fee.
And this:
jpwade.wordpress.com; Change in Campaign fund usage , the funds are not being used as part of the earnest money Rosebud Tribe used for bid acceptance according to press release statements from Rosebud Tribe Chairman
Sept 11, API News;Tribe’s bid accepted for South Dakota land, ROSEBUD | The owners of nearly 2,000 acres of pristine grassland prairie have accepted a $9 million bid by the Rosebud Sioux, tribe President Cyril Scott told The Associated Press. The Rosebud Sioux already has paid $900,000 as an earnest deposit; the remaining $8.1 million is due in November….. An online campaign to help the tribe buy the land raised nearly $390,000. The campaign ended last weekend.
The Rosebud Sioux Tribe is looking to see if it can cover the remaining land cost itself, Schmidt said. If not, the cost could be spread among the roughly 20 tribes that make up the Great Sioux Nation,
Rosebud secured money for the earnest payment from the Indian Land Tenure Foundation of Little Canada, Minn., and its subsidiary, the Indian Land Capital Co. Foundation President Chris Stainbrook said his organization was contacted by the tribes before the planned auction to see whether they could help them finance a bid.
(note: Last week LRI reported 300k was part to the 1.3 million for an earnest deposit. the bid acceptance press release today states 900K? and LRI campaign funds are not listed in the api press release as part of the earnest money for purchase. LRI refuses to release the actual amount of funds available from the petition campaign after indeigogo service fees, nor the amount their campaign option offered which was direct deposits to the Tribe, nor the fund raising at the Sept 5 rally, so much for transparency.
Why are the campaign funds not being used , Sara Jumping Eagle said 1/3 million of the 1.3 earnest money , was from the campaign funds, and now the Campaign funds are not included in the api press release for bid acceptance?)
Get Ready for more fund raising without Transparency , it looks as if the campaign money will start getting shuffled around, hopefully not lost through holes in the floor.
Tuesday at 1:19pm · 1
yep, that blog entry was updated a bit with addition of links for postings at save pe sla fb site, such as that below. It is evident Sara Jumping Eagle and Ruth Hopkins believe the public does_not_deserves an understanding.
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Sara Jumping Eagle
LRI will continue to post announcements on their own pages and sites. We look forward to the gathering of the Oceti Sakowin and the decisions made about Pe’ Sla. We are positive people helping to make the future better for our children. We appreciate The overwhelming positive response, prayers, and work so many have contributed to seeing a hope come closer to reality. We all work, have families, and continue to work on these efforts. We cannot address all name calling or lies that are put out in the Internet. Financial details of the fundraising campaign are readily available on indiegogo website. The policies are straightforward and the amount raised is posted. We appreciate the need for transparency and this is the very reason indiegogo was chosen by our team. Pilamaye!
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(smith posted a indiegogo reply, about public access for available funds, after indeigogo fees)
*** Geri Smith> Geri Smith: after a campaign closes , how does the public find out the actual amount of funds available after the indiegogo recieves its service fees from the total donated
Indiegogo ,
Hi Geri,
That information is the responsibility of the campaigner. They can share that information if they choose to smile
37 minutes ago
Hopefully someday the public will get an answer from the Campainger
Wednesday at 9:43pm · Like
(smith address’s Sara about not being open with the public)
*** Geri Smith> the “financial_details” are_not readily available on indiegogo website, and one would think a campaign team member would at least be straight forward and give the fund raising total after, overseas transactions, currency exchange rates, currency exchange fee’s, pay pal fee’s , or whatever other fees are deducted from the total donated.
Your post is another attempt to not be open with the public, by telling them to go and look for themselves, knowing all necessary information is not at the indiegogo site.
How about a little transparency to include the amount donated through the campaign option to donate directly to Rosebud Tribe, and the amount generated at the sept 5 rally
Not going to happen is it? , if it does not this campaign fund raising transparency will be no different than the Justice for Vern Rally that lastrealindians conducted.
A similar request was made to Ruth Hopkins you campaign teammate just 2 days ago, only to be met by accusations and attacks from her because someone requested an understanding, that attack was followed up with other members of this site attacking as well. So what will the public get, transparency or “Parley” , a pirates response when caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Wednesday at 11:15pm · Like
*** Unique Material> Geri – you are an instigator wherever you go. Why do you sow dissent? Did you even donate? Indigogo will take their cut – it’s what makes the world go round. The rest will go towar…See More
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*** Keya Rainbow Heart> Pilamaye Sara Jumping Eagle for this update ! Wakan Tanka nici un… Mitakuye Oyas’in (Humbly suggesting that the ones bringing negative energies are simply ignored … just saying…;)…)
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*** Lizzie Cornish> Good idea, Keya… :0)
18 hours ago · Like · 4
*** Geri Smith> Unique Material, Keya Rainbow Heart, Please try not to flood the board with such rhetoric and finger pointing. if you have comments to offer an understanding , please post.
Requesting an understanding is not being an instigator or bringing negative energy. , Sara Jumping Eagle , will reply if she believes the people who gave deserve transparency, ignoring such a request and refusal to give an understanding is is no different than turning her back on those who have given.
18 hours ago · Like
*** Jerimey Morse> Geri, Do not expect a reply from Sara Jumping Eagle or Ruth Ruth Robertson-Hopkins they both have made their position very clear that the public will not even get an explination as to why they refuse to release something as small as fee’s associated with the funds collected. Expect to have any similar requests posted to lastrealindians deleted.
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Well, the clear implication is that anyone who desires the most basic of information,
asks the most basic of questions, isn’t a positive person.
Their names are probably being added to an “enemies list” much the same
as politicians have done.
Did I just say politicians????? Yeah, guess I did-as this is beginning to
mirror the behind closed doors, lack of transparency, manuverings politicians
are noted for.
What is lacking thus far is to introduce the 7th generation prophecy as a
provenance and to begin labeling people like Geri, Kira, and others a fed and sellout,
but then the day is young yet.
The reference to negative energy is a classic-did that come from the gatekeepers at
Borderlands, or was it something “spirit” channeled through an enlightened conduit?
Negative is resorting to calling people who ask basic questions instigators-negative is
the shuck and jive, the cloak and dagger stuff-negative is sending underlings to address
questions rather than those who lead and author, negative is those who want to be seen,
praised, and given credit in video highlights without having to answer questions.
As to charging a fee I don’t have an issue with that if it’s within reason, and RESTRICTED
to indiegogo -it’s to be expected, and part of the process.
Can’t help but notice the crystal wavers are in support. UniqueMaterial is an avatar on Russell means site, so I looked it up. Ghost warrior is from the same tribe trying to buy the land if I recall correctly.
http://www.republicoflakotah.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3576&sid=e8b1e194fc10d3f4b7e953771b5f7a26&start=0
I was wondering, would it help anything to set up a petition to donate, but put direct links for the tribes. Was wondering if the other tribes like the Cheyenne received donations, they would have a bargaining position to be brought in to share the land. Also the more tribes involved the harder it would be to lack transparency.
Probably too late in the game to set up a separate donations petition for a number
of reasons-one being, and the most obvious I think, is that the intent is and has been to
establish a proprietary claim to pe sla and paha sapa.
Ironic that money is the vehicle of choice to accomplish that end. There seems to be
more going on with Borderlands than what may be known-wouldn’t hurt to keep an eye
on that as well.
Here comes the PR campaign for Borderlands Ranch, Churches, future support fund raising, etc , the 3 articles published by the Rapid City Journal
9-16-12 , about Linda Kramer , Borderlands Ranch
Protecting “a gift from God,” Episcopal priest works for prairie preservation
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/protecting-a-gift-from-god-episcopal-priest-works-for-prairie/article_c5813f38-2d1c-5e03-b083-f4ec47d8617d.html
0-15-12 about The Unitarian Universalists
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/opinion/forum-support-return-of-pe-sla-to-lakota/article_83cd97a6-788d-5289-a391-c064e4624fd2.html
9-13-12 , Editorial: Return of sacred site a good thing
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/opinion/editorial-return-of-sacred-site-a-good-thing/article_69a09f20-b279-54e0-8d26-90ef58088dbe.html#.UFUBZ9m3Ocw.facebook
the above article links posted to save pe sla fb page by ,
Carla Rae Marshall , http://www.facebook.com/tipistola
Jennifer A. Maguire , http://www.facebook.com/jennifer.maguire
Karen K Little Thunder , http://www.facebook.com/karen.k.littlethunder
JP
All that’s missing from the list is the Church of the Blue Star-still time though.
Think Crow Dog may hold the title of Bishop Emeritus there.
if guardianship, usage decisions of the land is to go strictly to the Lakota Nation, future fund raising to all the tribes involved would increase integrity levels for transparency and inhibit cultural exploitation. i doubt that will occur since it is obvious the intent of the campaign fund raising, was from the beginning, for Rosebud Tribe, not the Lakota Nation as Chase led the global community to believe. The way this acquisition and campaign has unfolded up to this point leads one to believe no objective aside from single ownership was and still is in play. quite saddening how the global community was led to believe they were offering to the Nation when in reality it has and continues to be for “soul possession”. in ref to my previous comment about crystal wavers, here is an example from the so called official pe`sla fb page, one of the members the campaign team , Charmaine and Dizzy have cozy’d up to, http://candle4tibet.ning.com/profile/LablanquieKay , as said from the get go, protecting sacred land today is like watching a bad disney movie
True, it is pretty late in the game, but if enough was raised, if the lakota were unable to come up with the money, which i seriously doubt, a new deal might be able to be worked out.
It’s all about position tali-who ever preemptively obtains it are difficult to unseat-especially
if earnest money is already in hand.
The obvious approach to this would be to lay every thing out at once-that would be
transparency and address any doubts or questions that have arisen-failure to
do so can only lead to more.
Disbursements: When Do I Get My Money?
http://support.indiegogo.com/entries/20501826-disbursements-when-do-i-get-my-money
Nothing like having the “flag” that supports murdering lying rapist, flying for the protection of sacred land
Lakota Peoples Law Project, Please watch this video about a Pe’ Sla rally our law firm and Last Real Indians organized together in Rapid City last Wednesday…
http://www.keloland.com/videoarchive/?VideoFile=120905pesla
The “flag” I believe has become akin to an epaulet to wear on one’s shoulder,
kind of a not so secret Rosicrucian handshake. As I have said before it has
the same significance to me as the banner flown by the 7th or Chivingtons
“militia”.
“In light of comments made online, some at Rezinate.Wordpress.com, questioning the credibility of the money raised by LastRealIndians.com and how the money would be spent, Iron Eyes said the funds will fully go toward the purchase of Pe’ Sla.”
Bottom line is it shouldn’t have taken questions being asked for a reiteration of where and how the money raised would be directed.
In attempting to address them it certainly didn’t require ambiguity or resorting to telling people they were “instigators”-any instigation that occurred emanated from, and was the result of the ambiguity exhibited on LRI -if they want to point finger and take a page out the AIM manual to assume the role of being misunderstood that’s their choice and the standard that has been set.
“In light of” -the implication is that as the muddled and confused manner in which LRI reeled back and forth between ever changing statements-four to be exact-concerning how the donations would be used, that public awareness led to a final(?) declaration-I’d say that’s a good thing as it speaks to public input, which is the very least any should expect when a call for donations is made.
This is textbook AIM-a declaration of how it’s all good, all a people’s movement, while a handful sit behind closed doors arbitrarily making decisions and becoming agitated when any dare to question or disagree.
Am I impressed? Not hardly-but then I never had much of a taste for politics or politicians.
Nice to be singled out as in “some at Rezinate.Wordpress. com” as though to minimize the concerns being raised as appearing on a lone site-not the way of it at all, as there were vigorous discussion going on in FB and across the net-but thanks for the props LRI.
The “credibility” of money being raised raised is a misnomer-as I don’t believe money is an animate object that has integrity-the credibility in question was the stating of an initial goal and then repeatedly changing it.
And so I will repeat what I have said previously-no single nation has a proprietary claim to pe sal -if an attempt is made to make such a claim then the history of “ownership” and occupation has to be the final determination- a determination that clearly shows there were others there long before the Souix made an appearance.
Ignoring that while claiming a preemptive spiritual link to the land amounts to little more that a display of disrespect for the spiritual connection of others that existed previously-that doesn’t strike me as having anything to do with what has become the cliches of “my relatives” and “we are all related”…..like I said, assimilation and the growing influx of wasichu attitudes…. the new traditions.
Now if “real Indians” want to honor women warriors they could do so by displaying the petition for Annie Mae and encouraging viewers to sign it.
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