At times in the past I have posted a blog centered around a comment I have received, that is the nature of this one.
Below are a couple of comments I received yesterday and this morning in the Philip Nolan blog-they are well written and non confrontational, polite even, something not always the case.
After thinking about it a couple of things stand out to me I want to comment about-one “being whether or not his lineage is true”.
If it exists in the OST records it no doubt exists in other places, and were it not true for a man who went to great links to identify himself not only as Lakota, but as the “chief facilitator” for a non existent republic he claimed to have created for them, then the only reason I can think of for not addressing it would have been to avoid being outed.
To say that no one is perfect is accurate, but to ignore that there are degrees of imperfection and wanton imperfection as a quasi defense is singularly without merit.
I say wanton in the context of willful, knowing the right or wrong of a thing and doing it anyway. It is something sociopaths are noted for-placing themselves and what they want above all other considerations. Though some would argue sociopaths haven’t the same understanding of right and wrong that others do- that they are without a conscience.
As you can see I was advised to “nit pick” about whatever I wanted, but I for one don’t consider addressing the issues this blog has as nit picking, nor do I consider it to be throwing stones- if it is then at least it hasn’t been bullets or fire bombs and I’ve left no bodies in my wake-but then I suppose I’m nit picking again.
Doing what a person thinks is right as some sort of qualification is a hollow attempt at best to qualify what cannot be qualified- I think rapists must think what they are doing is right, murderers must as well.
If a person cheats to gain an advantage they must also think it is right to do so, as must liars and thieves-but the consensus is that they are not. And that is what defines the individual.
Russell Means defined himself, just as we all do in the choices he made and the things he did, I can’t think of anything that changes that.
db
Submitted on 2012/11/19 at 9:36 pm
Whether or not his lineage is true, or whatever backbiting happens in the community, you have to let that go. No person is perfect. Russell Means was a famous face that could bring attention to the plight of all peoples. It doesn’t really matter what his bloodwork says, or what some documents say, or what other people say about the human behind the concepts. He was a positive influence as much as he was a negative influence. Nit pick about whatever you want, but Russell did what he thought was right, and he preached a lot of great things. Again, not perfect, but I ask that you not throw stones. I doubt you are perfect either.
Rezinate
db-not being perfect myself and never having expected it of anyone, I’ve attempted to live my life with a measure of integrity and principles- I don’t think that is too much to expect of someone who attempts to portray themselves as a leader or “patriot”.
AIM’s desire has always been for people “to let that go”-to let go and forget the rampage at WK2, the murders of Annie Mae, Ray Robinson, and countless others-all which occurred as they were doing what they thought was “right”.
These things are never right under any pretext-and when what remains of the AIM leadership lets go of the lies and accepts responsibility for their actions, then, and only then, will I let go of what you so cavalierly refer to as nitpicking.
Russell Means was an unrepentant liar and con artist-if you are able to find a “lot of good things in that” it is your choice to do so, but I beg to differ.
db
Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 1:43 pm | In reply to rezinate.
That is not to say that you have to forgive or forget what has happened in the past, buy it is best to accept it for what it is. There is no changing what happened in any of the circumstances you mention. How does AIM move forward is the real question. Letting go of that past to not let it cloud the present, and working constructively toward a brighter future.
As for Russell, he may have lied, he may have used certain things to his own personal advantage, but name me a leader who has not.
Rezinate
AIM moves forward by becoming a real peoples movement for the first time in it’s four plus decades history. Progress is made by addressing issues, not attempting to bury them as they did at WK2, or taking an abducted woman to a remote area and shooting her in the back of the head after first interrogating and abusing her.
A peoples movement that recognizes and empowers the individual, a movement that seeks direction either by consensus or majority and not by the arbitrary decisions of a select few sitting at the top.
A novel concept for AIM and it’s leadership, but long past due.
It moves forward by a leadership whose hallmark is truthfulness and integrity, not self enrichment or the pursuit of power and celebrity. Something not a one of the leadership is known for.
If it is merely a matter or forgiving and forgetting then we should all set aside the injustices of the past-we should forgive and forget about the inequities of treaties and the violation of them.
We shouldn’t rail about the rape of our women at the hands of non indigenous while making excuses for such things if the perpetrater is one of our own.
But if we were to do that there would be no forward movement, no bright future, much the same as there will be none until AIM is held accountable.
In the “to accept it for what it is” nothing is remediated, wounds aren’t healed, and the justice graves cry out for is not obtained. It amounts to a free pass, and in a very real sense a license to kill, a continuation of pimping the poverty and misery of the nations.
My understanding of forgiveness is that it is interactive-admissions are made, an act of contrition occurs in doing so, and an understanding that the offense will not be repeated.
AIM and it’s leadership have never done so-they instead have fabricated lie upon lie, never accepted responsibility for anything, and continue in the same vein as they always have.
None of the leadership is worthy of forgiving and forgetting-they are not representative of either the nations or tradition, and have become indistinguishable from the greed and corruption so characteristic of the very system they claim to stand in opposition of.
Accepting this is far from being the “best” choice-it is surrender, an admission of defeat, another bogus treaty made with self serving oppressors.
Reblogged this on Lordnelga's Weblog – Psiberrealm and commented:
Very well put and it should be applied to all peoples not just to AIM. Very good points Rezinate. Thank you for your words of wisdom. And might I add you are using weapons the worst kind you are using words as bullets in an infowar. You are leaving bodies of ignorance where ever you aim those words. Continue to do so with the accuracy you are. I will do likewise and thanks once again for your enlightenment. Keep up the good fight. And know your words were what I needed to hear today.
LN -it is indeed a standard that should be applied to
all people, and likewise an infowar as you say that AIM
has dominated for years-but no more.
They may run, but as they are finding out there is no
place to hide.
Thanks for the reblog and keep punching on your end as
you address the issues you do.
Amazingly well put, Rezinate…
Reblogging!
Thank you LBW- the Berlin Wall was taken down by people who sought
to be free-likewise the AIM Wall is crumbling-keep punching.
Reblogged this on Looking Back Woman-Suzanne Dupree blog and commented:
This is very familiar, like we should just let go of what happened in Libya, eh?
Watched a movie last night called “Second In Command”, made in 2006..which was strangely enough exactly like what happened in Libya at our US Embassy Sept. 11 2012…Wag the Dog?
Or what?
In real life, no one came to save the Ambassador or the other 3 American’s who lost their lives…
Just like no one actually ever came to help the victims & survivors at the hands of the urban militant domestic terrorists called the American Indian Movement…
The battle for power rages on between two Ojibways, who have little respect for their own 1st Nations people (the Riegert’s & Gilldersleeves were & remain Chippewa-Ojibway), the same 1st Nations blood as both Banks & Bellecourt. So who gives these two murderous men the right to control the Sacred of the Tetuwan Lakota or other authentic 1st Nations peoples ceremonies in Indian Country????
The division has begun, blood shed will occur again in Indian Country between Banks & Bellecourt, egos dictates that……if law enforcement does not hand down those indictments, that is what this split in AIM leadership is all about, saving ones own behind, along with their politicians who gave AIM immunity, while throwing the exact same thing both men are, one is no better than the other…under the bus.
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LBW,
There will always be those who in doing AIM’s work will cry foul or hater when any attempt
to speak the truth, it is an indication of the inherent weakness of their position.
In the past it was an effective means to silence dissent, to control the “infowars” as LN characterized it-the internet which was once a boon to them has become a bane-an
onerous opponent they now must contend with whether they like it or not.
Increasingly so I expect less and less from the judicial system in the form of proactive
indictments-if all that remains is the court of public opinion AIM cannot tell enough lies or
hire enough attorneys to prevail.
Advancing years and the passing of Clyde and Banks will remove their personal influence-but
the concern should be the next generation of Terminators that will roll off the assembly floor.
Power struggles often have an adverse effect that exposes vulnerabilities even among the victors-the more Banks and Clyde go at it the more a potential exists for elements of the truth
to emerge.
Hopefully this will play out among the principals and there will be no more innocent victims.
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The AIMsters must know by now…we victims & survivors of AIM are not going “To Let That GO!”
JUSTICEJUSTICE…
We hear the cries from the graves of the innocent & forgotten murdered by AIM, who can just ignore those AIM victims who have been silenced forever?
Only those the truth does not serve, & those who committed the premeditated act & who sanctioned it.
LBW-the question I would ask is who among the justice department
hears those cries- has Holder and the USAG office gone deaf and
blind, or do they merely choose to ignore them while awaiting the
attrition of time that will make the prosecution of those who have
passed on impossible?
Wow.. There’s being human and there’s being a monster. Being “Less than perfect” isn’t what I would describe Russell as. A question I would pose to Db would be, what if it was YOUR mother?
Would you let it go then? If there was never any legal justice for her murder or even a merciful admission??
If Russell was honorable, he would have spoken the truth. He would have screamed the truth from the roof tops and had everyone’s heads. Right? But, instead, he also is a woman abusing, rapist, murderer, and death doesn’t change that.
One does not have to be perfect to understand the basic concepts of right and wrong. You don’t hit or rape women. You don’t beat up on the elderly. You don’t lie and pillaged an already ravaged people.
Let it go?
Not on your life. When Ray’s body is returned to his family and Miss Annie’s family gets their admission and truths, then, we will discuss letting it go.
“Let it go?
Not on your life. When Ray’s body is returned to his family and Miss Annie’s family gets their admission and truths, then, we will discuss letting it go.”
And not a moment before then Nicole
Amen, Rez-
-to replay some good words by you Rezinate:
“None of the leadership is worthy of forgiving and forgetting-they are not representative of either the nations or tradition, and have become indistinguishable from the greed and corruption so characteristic of the very system they claim to stand in opposition of.”
-isn’t it curious that the minute Russell Means passes, or even before, the power struggles began this summer, with the donators, sycophants and provocoteurs… the screaming viscious ones, reving up their shrill anger, hatred and rage, and ‘ideological rhetoric’, their insane allegiance to the AIM and 3 generations of mafia control, plays for power, money and celebrity
-AIM itself splitting with the Texas AIM outting Dennis Banks, the Bellecourt camp talking about the dear elder, Bellecourt, this summer, all those sun dances by all the power brokers with blood on their hands… and the deafening scream of mother earth and father sky’s cease and desist order from Creator and etc., all the storms and damage and shaking of the earth… guess you men and women don’t get that this is not purification for being strong, this is outrage and a message to stop…
GET IT!?
-now AIM finally, stupidly, has outed itself, with the Bellecourt, Giago, Abourezks, Raymond Demallie, the Smithsonian, private collectors, Bahai, and the secret gov’t connection all hiding behind a slim attack against the flaky narcissists…Arvol Looking Horse, still holding the big fake secret of your spiritual lineage and power and control of WBCP’s legacy… you and your wife especially, will be the next to be thrown under the bus… in other words you’re a weak link and a liability…
-did you know AIM, that until you admitted in your manifesto, using words much of what is contained in Looking Back Woman’s site, there was no direct admitting of guilt of AIM by the big ‘chiefs’?
-now that you have, in your greed and power struggle for a mafia don’s control of your ‘turf’, admitted to guilt, all your fanatical followers will now shift their rhetoric to adjust to the new reality…
-“well, you may have done everything that the survivors of your abuse, rape, murders, theft, and lies have claimed… BUT…”
-The followers will scream loudly now, watch for this, “You’re still good guys, the abuser played me and gave me a title and was good to me once…so AIM is to be admired and the victims must finally admit that some good happened, we are all better off…”
-there is such a darkness that has spread everywhere, there is such a beast that has been fed, this is how severe it has become all over the earth, and it extends out from the Black Hills, the mystery of the ‘Heart of the heart’ where the legacy and mystery of WBCPW first emerged so long ago;
-remember that corny movie, “It’s a Wonderful Life”, when Clarence tells George that because he never existed, goodness ceased to hold back the dark of life everywhere, and all the reality he knew had he lived, became dark and ugly and cold and brutal, without mercy and compassion, kindness and love…
-it’s like Russell Means, and all the boyz, and all their followers, and all their families, 3 generations of them, obliterated so many, but the focal point became ANNA MAE PICTOU AQUASH…
-and WOUNDED KNEE 2, the dark energy miasm that lies there, the trapped innocent ones that lie there, the wrongs that are still being fed today…
-you see, it has not healed, and it will not heal, until the people kick all the bums out, stop the propoganda and programming of themselves by the abusers and their therapists, educators, writers, drug dealers, booze bootleggers, followers, progogandists
-they were not victims once, they were always bullies and abusers, and we the people have nothing to be ashamed of, and sympathy is best directed towards those of us who are waking up, and helping the goodness and kindness and respect and dignity to emerge once again into the light of a beautiful golden dawn, it’s coming, and they can’t stop us from shaking off our fear, and kicking the bums out…
“-they were not victims once, they were always bullies and abusers,”
From petty criminals to big time crooks and murderers-each taking a
turn at spinning the AIM Wheel of Fortune and each guaranteed their
turn at the money trough.
American Indian Mafia, Assholes In Moccasins, and ultimately Murder
Incorporated.
There is enough new info on my WP blog to answer alot of questions…who knew what & when, & why nothing is being done…I spent sometime connecting the dots for people, of the why nothing is being done…
It does not serve those who are making money off all the carnage.