8 comments on “FREE SPEECH AND NEO NAZIS

  1. I do believe in free speech. But for me, I have mixed feelings. Not against people but policies. Places where people can gather to protest are so far from the spot they should be in order to be in the media. Most of the media do not print or report things that they should be.

    There are policies and things that are happening out there that more people should be aware of. Truth, facts. But for some things, you are just supposed to shut up if you don’t agree.

    As far as people, be it religion, race, politics. I give up! I can’t believe their are people out that base how they feel about someone by the shade of their skin. We are all people. I don’t judge anyone on their beliefs, what colour their skin is, or political view. You are either a good person or you aren’t. That’s all. Anyone can fall into one of those two categories.

    I have been on sites where people are kicked off of it because of the country they are from. Because of decades old feuds between two countries, most of them were not even born when it happened! Those people had no part of it. Maybe had my family went through hardships because of those things, I would think differently, I don’t know. Hatred is an ugly thing, even worse when you hand that down to your own children.

    I wish their was such a thing as Utopia, but you are right, it isn’t going to end. There was a point that I believed things would change. Not anymore. I don’t see any way to solve it.

    • I as well have mixed feelings and understand that protest often can be equated to theater, a theater where the real estate axiom of location, location is a priority that will attract a larger number of people.
      There can be good cause for doing so depending on intent, but the choice of location can also be the result of a strategy lacking value, a strategy to incite.
      Though I see no equivalency between the motivations of antifas and neo nazis antifas would be better served in taking the higher ground of non violence – that qualified by my belief that if someone lays a hand on you lay two on them.
      Gatherings can easily become mobs and in that diversity inevitably there will be a number who want to ramp it up regardless of the reason or how peaceful the intent.
      I’m a believer in people saying what they mean, not with an intent to hurt but to be honest – in today’s world that very easily becomes a recipe for trolls and bots to attack.
      Issues can only be meaningfully addressed when all the cards are on the table, when it is known and clearly understood where everyone stands.
      There is an additional language, a non verbal one, it is the language of the heart spoken not in the things we say which can purposefully be misleading but rather in the things we do, the manner in which we conduct ourselves.
      You carry a nazi flag, associate with them, or participate in one of their rallies and no words need be spoken – the nature of your heart is visible for all to see, something neither presidents nor their fawning evangelical supporters can deny, only choose to overlook.
      Much is made that this is a nation of laws, something like forty thousands new pieces of legislation that become laws annually, and while laws and legislation serve an obvious purpose I submit those in existence are sufficient to deal with any manner of the human condition if applied rather than rushing to draft new ones.
      Seldom the case though as a high point for politicians is to author a Bill, to have their name on it, and events like Charlottesville are a tailor made opportunity.
      Pundits would lead people away from commonsense, they wear the term “critical thinking” as though a crown jewel and often dismiss what is obvious – commonsense would tell you what took place is Charlottesville is unacceptable, there’s no deep profound intellectual rumination that alters that simple fact.
      People will decide for themselves what has value and what does not and in those decisions the character of the environment we live in will be the result on every level.
      “But for some things, you are just supposed to shut up if you don’t agree.”
      Having expressed my opinion related to free speech I in no way expect an across the board agreement, a right of others to disagree, nor am I willing to shut up.
      If I could erase bigotry and racism with a wave of my hand I would, but none can, and what is left is to raise our voice.
      As to policies and awareness it brings to mind the adage that you can lead a horse to water but can’t make them drink,
      if people choose to remain unaware of or gloss over negative policies that’s on them.
      I believe the political bar has been so lowered as to be a huge undertaking to overcome that could require a generation or more- in the interim the only respite to be found, the only Utopia we may be able create and experience is within the home and among family, loved ones, and friends.
      The imperative then becomes to stand your ground, stay strong, and keep punchin’.

      • You have a way with words that I wish I had!
        People like that should not have a platform in public. No hate groups should. They have the right to their opinion, but just like people say about religions, fine, just don’t shove it on me. Go find a building where they can gripe to each other. Funny how certain groups get away with protesting where ever they wish, and others can’t.
        I honestly believe there is a reason behind this.
        Some protests are behind caged areas, and others just seem to be allowed, out of the blue, and nothing is done. Until something bad happens,
        The political bar is so low, you bet it is! I wish more people spoke up. I know many people who would like to, but are too afraid. Too many people join (bad apples and law enforcement) in peaceful protests to turn things ugly. The video taping, the intimidation, the shaming. Even people trying to good in the world are mocked and threatened. The radio stations calling all protesters unemployed losers.
        Most freedoms and rights we have are not from fighting wars, it was from everyday people fighting their own governments for them, or their employers. When you say we must speak up, it is true, if we didn’t, we wouldn’t have half the rights we do.

      • On the contrary you have a command of the language and express yourself well, that has led me to consider and discuss with others what is being said.
        The acquisition of rights is yet incomplete and those acquired themselves took generations to achieve from children working in mines to women gaining the vote.
        The “issue” of an unobstructed right to vote for the nations didn’t come to fruition until the latter part of the 1940’s, I tend think of that as the government having been shamed into it considering the code talkers and those of our own who fought, bled, and died alongside a military force with a history of waging war against us.
        It is an irony that in the incremental acquisitions of these rights we seem to be incrementally losing or surrendering them, and the fear you mention is a part of that due to what is referred to as politically correct speech, domestic spying, and the inherent right of people to privacy being vacated in the pursuit of a marketable commodity.
        At some point people are going to have to wake up, accept the fact that we are all in the same boat and go Howard Beale in saying “I’m mad as hell and not going to take it anymore” to then vote politicians in or out and hold all who “serve” accountable from the local to state and national level.
        The country seems to be intent on burning down it’s own house, fundamental rights are not privileges to be granted by a would be omnipotent government, they are inherent as a matter of birth.

      • Ha! Go Howard Beale. 🙂 Wouldn’t that be great? You know, I like to think I am well read when it comes to keeping up with certain things, but it was news to me when you said it wasn’t until the 1940’s the nations did not have a vote.
        It does seem, to me, that the more our countries go to war to keep our so called freedoms, the more of it we lose. But then, I don’t believe that we are going to war to protect our freedoms any more than I believe Monsanto will end world hunger.
        I wish our governments, on every level, had enough empathy to actually feel ashamed of some of the things they do. The only shame they show is when they are caught.
        I have known politicians who went in with good intentions, then realized you toe the line or get out.

      • I enjoyed the movie Network and the character of Beale though he did go off the deep end at the end of the movie.
        Indigenous history hasn’t drawn much mainstream attention until lately and for the most part been somewhat superficial, nor much time devoted to it in history lessons in schools.
        Things change though and when the history is viewed through a different lens than the standard Hollywood cowboys and ndns awareness will grow.
        I’ve always liked the following quote as spoken by Chinua Achebe of Nigeria:
        “Until the lions have their own historians the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.”
        Monsanto and it’s ilk should in my opinion be tried for crimes against humanity along with a number of other corporate entities I can think of.
        The nations were somewhat technically given the vote in the mid 1920’s,
        the reason voting rights were withheld is because we were not considered citizens.
        Following citizenship in 1924 or 25 the majority were still unable to vote due to “state’s rights’ and the restrictions they imposed basically leading to the same type of obstructionism as those of the Jim Crow laws with the dust allegedly settling in the late 40’s – even so a handful of states continued to bar voting until 1957.
        1957, think about that – by that time social security had been in place for 22 years, television,radios, and telephones were to be found in the majority of homes, cars had electric windows and automatic transmissions, major wars had been fought with our own wearing the uniform, Russia had launched Sputnik, the U.S. had developed and employed nuclear weapons with an arms race fully in place and had it’s own space program, and the first “modern” computer had been invented.

        For those who like to read history I always recommend A People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn and An Indigenous People’s History of the United States by Roxanne Dunbar – Ortiz, those who do usually go into denial or are stunned.
        There are others equally as important and informative but these two cover a lot of ground.

      • Thanks for the suggestions and letting me know more about what really happened. I have read some books, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, was one that made me heart-sick. I never thought to read recent books. Things from not long ago. When I was in school we were taught Louis Riel was a hero. Now they are taught he was a terrorist. How times change!
        History = His Story – The so called winner gets to write his so-called truth.

      • Bury My Heart has become something of a seminal work and well
        worth the read – I was never much into reading until an elderly
        couple who were retired teachers gave me a box of books when I
        was twelve or saying they were more than books, they were keys
        to open doors.
        Some pretty heady stuff in them but I plowed my way through and
        haven’t looked back, will read just about anything that comes
        my way now – fortunately among the books they gave me was a dictionary.
        Often enough history portrays those with clay feet as epic
        figures – figures like Custer and Andrew Jackson.
        If the military won a battle it was a great victory, if we did
        it was a massacre.
        I don’t think people should either be afraid of history or in
        denial, it should be accepted as it was and serve as a lesson if
        need be.
        I regret that in times past we weren’t able to record our history
        in a written fashion as writing is understood to be – I regret
        even more individuals like Russell Means who in his for profit
        revisionism claimed there was no evidence of inter tribal warfare
        before the “discovery”, and actually bought into and promoted
        that thing about ritual human sacrifice by The Aztecs was actually
        open heart surgery – ignoring the fact that if it was “surgery”
        by the thousands not a single patient survived.
        Same thing with scalping – the nations never did until after the
        “discovery” – that’s pure bs as there were some nations that did
        and scalping can be found as having taken place even among the
        Vikings and countless other cultures.
        So I’ve always fact checked whether His Story or Russell’s Story
        and believe it’s wisdom if others do as well.

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