Kind of long for a response so I have elected to present this as a separate blog from the original- Mount Up-for any who may not be familiar with it and interested I would direct them there to follow the sequence of exchanges.
I think PC, you and I, as well as everyone else are aware there is no “safety” on the net in
regard to defamation or anything else really. The benefit or onus of the net is that it is
archival-position changes are accessible, videos as presented on ICT/NFIC remain-they
haven’t disappeared, and they illustrate the breakdown of Peltier’s story.
Since LPDOC is Peltiers auxillary they are obligated to explain, go along with, spin, or
ignore his miscues-even to the point of absurdity in the course changes regarding Graham.
LPDOC has had plenty to say over the years about those with a conflicting version, like
kamook for instance, and a part of that archive-I wonder if any of that could be called defamation? I wonder if your remarks directed at me could be?
But then I have no bevy of attorneys to argue the fine points. There is an obvious inclination in such things-as with the threats of lawsuits against DeMain, and while I am not he, or make any claim to have greater access, insight, or even an association with him, like DeMain, I’m not intimidated.
What is offered as proof by LPDOC or anyone is available on the net-all the FOIA’s, court
proceedings, testimony, and statements made over the years. In that some will conclude
one thing and some another, and some will look elsewhere and find information not cited.
The difference is that three of the participants in the murder of Annie have either been found guilty or confessed.
Peltier has been found guilty and that decision has withstood every attempt to overturn
it. For the believers all that remains is to deny it as conspiracy, some grave miscarriage of justice, and then devote themselves to convincing others it is so.
I mentioned previously I used to be a Peltierite, but no more, and it is a source of shame for me to have been one. I’m not alone in this reversal of position, and that number is growing. I would ask –do you think justice was served in the conviction of Graham and the confession of Rios?
I would also ask do you think Peltier innocent, or is your call to free him based not on guilt or innocence but some perceived legal point? Or are these things I should have asked Robideau(x) or Peltier as you suggest?
An attorney would advise his client not to take a test you say-no doubt, just as they do to
take the Fifth, and most probably for the identical reason. But that isn’t a response to the question I asked- I asked if it were you and you were innocent would you spend thirty plus years listening to advice that had produced no results? I know I wouldn’t, and I’ve heard others say as much.
Thirty plus years and nothing has changed for Peltier, immeasurable writs, appeals, claims and counter claims, numerous calls for a pardon for a variety of reasons and the sum total is nothing.
I believe support for him is waning-in view of the points I have just made I ask again what would you do, and more specifically what does he have to lose in your laymans opinion?
Can he be given a larger sentence than he already has? If he failed would it effect his next parole hearing years from now when he probably won’t even be alive? If it were me, and an attorney “advised” me to forgo a test in the midst of this I would completely ignore it-that is unless I was guilty.
I know there was a lot of false hope generated not only in the Peltier camp but across the nations as well with the election of the new president and he being “a man of color”. What was obviously overlooked in this is the Presidency is just that, the Presidency, and it is a continuation with few notable differences as to policy.
If the continuation of the conflict in Afghanistan, the fact that fifty thousand troops remain in Iraq, Gitmo is alive and well, the Bush tax cuts are given new life, corporations rule and influence everything, and life on the rez is as it has been doesn’t attest to that then I am at a loss as to what will.
Maybe it is that if Peltiers health deteriorates to such a point he will be released-if that were the case I would say it is humane-but I would also say it to be an act of humanity to provide some measure of relief to the families of Annie Mae, Williams, and Coler, in speaking openly and truthfully.
If you’ve browsed through the blog you will have seen I said that any who assume the authority to imprison a person are bound to provide adequate health care, nourishment, and the essentials required for well being. If they do not they should be held accountable.
That is an across the board, all encompassing statement and belief of mine- I don’t care who it is or what they have done.
It would be the act of a human being to heed the call of the ’99 elders statement to speak and truthfully answer questions. Honor and respect for elders has been a defining characteristic of the nations since the very beginning. That began to change in the sixties with the advent of AIM and it is a travesty to speak of commitment or service to the people while ignoring that tradition, that cultural identity.
They said AIM was nothing, they called AIM a collection of wannabe chiefs-now these very ones would say they are elders, leaders, martyrs, spiritual forces? I think not.
Some people make a decision to be martyrs, but it isn’t the decision or the desire that necessarily makes them one-it is the truth and what is known that does. If it is merely a matter of the amount of time spent then surely Robert Stroud must be viewed as a martyr by that standard-again, I think not.
Robideaux or Robideau, perhaps a typo, or the influence of a metis friend of mine, no offense intended, and not much of a talking point. Below is a link re Robideau(x) that tells a tale and is easily verified for those who wish to. Note the statements when Robideau(x) speaks about Mr.X as though he actually existed.
If you would present any part of Robideau(x)’s so called confession as the truth, then you of necessity have to account for Dino’s absolute denial of the entire Mr.X scenario.
He said it was a lie, and goes into great detail how and why it was fabricated. In that he clearly implicates Peltier as being aware it was a lie from front to back. So how it is that we are expected to believe not only the bogus confession that was protected against
additional prosecution, and Dino’s statement? Someone has to be called a liar-which is the choice of LPDOC?
Which one serves, and which one doesn’t? Obvious and predictable answer-Robideau(x)’s serves. Will Dino’s words be labeled as hearsay now as well? Will he be called a fed, someone on the payroll? Another Durham?
How do you or LPDOC address/explain Peltiers video taped assertions about Mr.X? About knowing who he was and protecting his identity as a matter of honor? Peltier, the myth, the legend, unashamedly lying over and over again for all to see. Is everyone to make some allowance? Are they to say yeah he lied about that but never about anything else because he is a spiritual man and his life is one prolonged sundance? An eight year old wouldn’t buy that, but it is an expectation that adults do?
That’s one of those sticking points I mentioned previously that begins the process of denial, ignoring, and making excuses for that the believers get caught up in.
It was the Peltier and Graham factions that introduced Mr.X, the Graham clone, and Emma-what does that say? Does it speak to integrity and a sincere desire for truth and justice?
To say Robideau(x) and Butler were found innocent by reason of self defense is to ignore reading the transcripts and arriving at the conclusion that in that court Charles Manson would have been likewise found innocent. The so called defense was the Chattaugwa come to town, complete with a “sacred pipe” to illustrate the pristine character of the defendants.
Multiple shooters with long range rifles (lying about a family caught in the crossfire) at a substantial distant obliterating a vehicle with well over a hundred bullet holes, as two men sought protection behind it with short range service revolvers-yeah, anyone can clearly see the imminent danger in that for Peltier and his homeys.
Real heroes, warriors in the finest tradition. Was the fact that Peltier was wanted on a fugitive warrant from Wisconsin a consideration by him in what happened?Wisconsin-but that’s another story, more abuse and lies poor Leonard has had to endure.
Maybe thats just hearsay too as you would have it, maybe that elder in Canada who cited Peltiers words when arrested is hearsay as well-or maybe everybody is a liar except Peltier and all that remains is to resurrect Diogenes so he can proclaim his search for an honest man has come to fruition in Peltier.
Apparently you and I could go back and forth endlessly-you can’t change my mind, and I doubt I could your’s- that makes neither of us good or bad-only committed to what we believe and that leads to diversity, which is a good thing.
This diversity that exists between you and I is not a personal one on my behalf, I respect the fact that you are a working man and willing to speak what you believe, I respect the fact that you have the right to believe in sincerity those things you do, and would compliment you on the segue into writing Peltier and user names, clever indeed.
But for the record I wouldn’t waste the time or the stamp-if fairy tales are what I would read I would go to the library and check out a copy of Grimm’s.
If you would continue this discussion it is your choice and I will respond, but I hope you, like me, do not view this as a contest to seek or be rewarded points, as so many net discussions seem to be predicated on. And yes I referenced women responding as there are some who have-perhaps in blogs you may not have seen.
I have seen women vilified in several venues, one we refer to as sister was even called a prostitute because she dared to ask questions and speak her mind-that is the context in which I said if any derogatory statements are directed at any woman who responds they won’t appear. No attempt to single you out, rather a statement to any who would
consider doing so.
I would suggest any with an interest to read two books-In The Spirit of Crazy Horse and American Indian Mafia, and in doing so not arbitrarily accept anything written in either, rather to spend the time to search and verify, or invalidate points made and information offered. I did, it took some time and led me to other things-it was an eye opener and well worth the effort.
I would also recommend spending a little time going through what is presented on the Indigenous Women for Justice site, and the Annie Mae memorial Facebook page, also ICT-there is a wealth of insight and information on them. Information that is principled and accurate.
In addition I would point out that Robideau(x) relinquished his position at LPDOC as a result of this flip flopping about Graham. The second link in those listed below provides a little insight into the distortions and creative manner such things are presented in by the Peltier machine and can readily be verified. I would also point out that it was Robideau(x) who placed Dino there alongside him-and yet they have vastly different stories about Mr. X and that leaves LPDOC of having to denounce one story or the other-that or ignore it as they have chosen to do.
Immediately below, and preceding the links provided, are copy/pastes from In These Times- Testerman, Demain, Denise, and Debbie, Marley Shebla, and countless others-I think I’m in pretty good company, and holding the line. Testerman and Demain,
these are people, journalists, former Peltier advocates, who were true believers-do you think they changed course on a whim?
Do you think they are delusional, have been co opted by the feds, or just common liars?
“Karen Testerman, a fellow journalist, who grew up on Pine Ridge during the ’70s, also called for Peltier’s release but changed her mind after trusted sources on the reservation told her what they knew. “It was like running into glass door you thought wasn’t there. It was heartbreaking. When I told my 61-year-old mother, she took her ‘Free-Peltier’ poster off the wall and wept.”
“DeMain now reveals that Nichols was one of those who first contacted him and told him what she knew. He recalls, “When Ka-Mook told me that Peltier had gone into this dramatic reenactment of what happened, using body language and flashbacks, and how she and Anna Mae sat there spellbound and didn’t say a damn word through the whole thing. … When I first heard Ka-Mook tell me this, it flipped my whole world upside down.”
DeMain, torn about exposing a figure and a movement he long defended and haunted by Pictou-Aquash’s death, says he believes there has been “some realignment going on” among Native Americans who have backed Peltier. “If you look at who’s supporting
him—Peter Matthiessen, Barry Bachrach—it’s all these white guys who just won’t let him go. He does still have some native people around him who’ve been essential in building up this myth about who he is.”
Harlan McKosato, host of the syndicated radio show “Native America Calling” that devoted several shows to the Pictou-Aquash killing earlier this year, echoes DeMain’s sentiment about a change in opinion. “There is a segment of Native Americans who were indifferent but tended to side with Peltier. These people are now being swayed by the new evidence and what seems to be a loss of AIM’s credibility.”
The truth is AIM is clinging to Peltier as they have done from the beginning, he is their invention, he is all that is left to hang on to-and when he’s gone, so are they.They have all been discredited as has been Peltier, but having invented, aligned, and invested so much
of themselves in him they have become conjoined. To attempt a separation now is extremely high risk and next to impossible-any attempt to do so and they could well be the ones Peltier would “blow them out of their shoes” with the revelations he could undoubtedly make.
So the charade continues, along with the obligatory and predictable statements.The arrogance that created all this is in retrospect surely seen to be ignorance now-they have, each to the other, become that ocean front property in Arizona offered up for sale-little more than pariahs and a cheap hustle gone wrong.
A lot of those “Free Peltier” posters coming down, accompanied not so much by tears, as anger, and long past due.
There will always be some segment that will embrace any conspiracy theory-that is well known and has been relied upon. Much the same as those who advanced the FEMA death camps, and the swine flu vaccine scenario relied, and rely upon this phenomena.
Free Peltier and Free Graham are not movements-they are cults with all the trappings-insular,and a finely crafted sense of divine or mystical enlightenment-prophets messianic in their approach, and the keepers of the true Chalice, who labor in the fields of scorn, fiction, and unbelievers claiming sanctification in their willingness to endure and present their version.
They are not, nor have they ever been in possession of the Holy Grail-it is becoming increasingly apparent that what they present is not even a reasonable facsimile.
Cults always require a martyr, some alleged victim, the need for scourging and crucifixion. Neither Peltier or Graham fill that role- they are not singularly, or jointly, The One-they are what they are, liars and convicted felons. This egregious amount of monetary donations spent on their so called defense is a slap in the face of every needy child, every elder, every abused woman, on every rez across this country and it is time to stop. It has gone from the sublime, to the ridiculous, to the absurd.
You refer to my citing of kamook as preference-it is much more than that. But if choosing to believe her testimony and that of countless others as preference over Peltier,Graham, or Robideau(x) then I have no problem with that as their’s are the only coherent ones-and would point out that likewise what you present must also be preference.
Posted this a few hours ago but just read that an LPDOC spokesperson has stated that the death of Ray Robinson was an accident. A couple of questions in response to that: If it was an accident why the cover up all these years? Is this statement meant to be preemptive on the assumption that Rios’ sealed testimony may in part address this very issue and tell a different version than accidental? Odd to me that now after her testimony and Graham’s conviction a new story is floated.
So the tale of Ray having just left, disappeared, and nobody knows anything as the common version can be seen for what it was from it’s inception-a lie-like so many others. I think the snowball is gathering momentum and turning into an avalanche.