THE SHEARING PENS

I don’t know if people are aware of or been following the Star Knowledge crowd, but it’s filled with all the new age trappings from “moon dances”, angels, aliens, and Ley lines connecting sacred sites.

There’s an abundance of “chiefs”, prophets, messengers, and of course pay to pray/play conferences, gatherings, and appearance fees.

Fitting I suppose in view of the names those associated with it adopt and see themselves as stars, have their groupies, and work to that promotional end.

“Traditional” attire is big, some of the bonnets so over the top as to be comical, but of course necessary to accessorize the costume and delineate chiefs and prophets from mere accolytes and “seekers”.

The formula is a sure fire one – take a measure of mysticism, ufo’s, crystal skulls, add titles like prophecy keeper, chief, grandmother or grandfather so and so, stir in some feathers, pipes, drums, beads, and fringe and you’ve got a guaranteed money maker for those seeking “spiritual enlightenment”…..you can even purchase t-shirts and other paraphenalia.

Predictably the Means estate is jockeying for a presence as well – couldn’t be any other way I suppose as Russell Means entire life was a long running scam.

Now on the surface one might be inclined to just laugh it off, I’m not inclined to do so as I see it for exactly what it is, yet another corruption of the nations beliefs, and I don’t give a damn how they go about it explaining or attempting to justify their antics.

As there is money to be made I expect this aberration to grow, from the wannabes to the hustlers and grifters among the nations.

Money, the key element, as irresistible as catnip is to a cat or drugs and alcohol to an addict, and has nothing to do with walking the “red road”.

It’s about the path leading to the shearing pens where the sheep will be shorn, the road to cultural genocide that culminates in assimilation – a road that will probably end at pe sla as it becomes a new age Mecca where all the “last real Indians” will gather to hawk their wares and drink from the “sacred chalice”.

IN LIGHT OF COMMENTS REDUX

I was going through the archives and when coming across the below blog I watched the video provided by JP Wade of the blog site Influenced to Death and it didn’t sit well with me…..again – multiple castings of a “grail” and a  “benediction” expressing a desire for all who own one to be blessed.

“All’? Like in how many, and is this some sort of commercial venture aspiring to market “grails” or official replicas to tourists, or those who pony up the money for a “spiritual quest”?

Will there be sky watching seminars looking for UFO’s? Will crop circles “mysteriously” appear, sightings of angels and little people, “readings” employing genuine native american tarot cards or crystal balls? Will someone show up with one of those laughable crystal skulls and claim it’s speaking to them?

IN LIGHT OF COMMENTS
Posted by rezinate on September 18, 2012
https://rezinate.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/in-light-of-comments/

“In light of comments made online, some at Rezinate.Wordpress.com, questioning the credibility of the money raised by LastRealIndians.com and how the money would be spent, Iron Eyes said the funds will fully go toward the purchase of Pe’ Sla.”

I made the below as a comment in another blog-but after thinking about it I’ve added a few more words and thought I would blog it.

Bottom line is it shouldn’t have taken questions being asked that would prompt a reiteration of where and how the money raised would be directed.

In attempting to address them it certainly didn’t require ambiguity or resorting to telling people they were “instigators”-any instigation that occurred emanated from, and was the result of the ambiguity exhibited on LRI -if they want to point a finger and take a page out the AIM manual to assume the role of being misunderstood that’s their choice and follows an established standard that has been set.

“In light of” -the implication is that in the muddled and confused manner in which LRI reeled back and forth between ever changing statements-four to be exact-concerning how the donations would be used, that public awareness led to a final(?) declaration-I’d say that’s a good thing as it speaks to public input, which is the very least any should expect when a call for donations is made.

This is textbook AIM-a declaration of how it’s all good, all a people’s movement, while a handful sit behind closed doors arbitrarily making decisions and becoming agitated when any dare to question or disagree.

Am I impressed? Not hardly-but then I never had much of a taste for politics or politicians.

Nice to be singled out though as in “some at Rezinate.Wordpress. com” as though to minimize the concerns being raised as appearing on a lone site-not the way of it at all, as there were vigorous discussions going on in FB and across the net-but thanks for the props LRI.

“The credibility of money being raised”. The credibility in question wasn’t the money, the stating of an initial goal and then repeatedly changing it was.

And so I will repeat what I have said previously-no single nation has a proprietary claim to pe sla -if an attempt is made to make such a claim then the history of “ownership” and occupation has to be the final determination- a determination that clearly shows there were others there long before the Sioux made an appearance.

Ignoring that while claiming a preemptive spiritual link to the land amounts to little more that a display of disrespect for the spiritual connection of others that existed previously-that doesn’t strike me as having anything to do with what has become the cliches of “my relatives” and “we are all related”…..like I said, assimilation and the growing influx of wasichu attitudes…. the new traditions.

Now if “real Indians” wants to honor women warriors they could do so by displaying the petition for Annie Mae and encouraging viewers to sign it.

If they want to talk about women warriors they should mention Annie’s daughters Denise and Deborah who have fought for sixteen years to secure justice for their mother.

Do I think there is even a remote possibility either will occur?-no, AIM wouldn’t approve and therein lies the tale.

If doing so causes AIM to have a tantrum so be it-after all, we are all related and they’ll get over it-at this stage of the game no one needs AIM, no one needs the dog and pony show anymore, not even sites trying to make a name for themselves.

They on the other hand need all the support they can get as the truth emerges from yet another unmarked grave it has been buried in….and that seem to be the course LRI has chosen , to help them out.

SLIPPERY SLOPE

I expect some will take offense at what is written in this particular blog-some will read into it what isn’t there and others will fail to see what is.

I had a conversation with a person about pe sla in which they said they were confused by conflicting stories and a video they had seen where the speaker said the “Sioux” had been there for six million years and what did I think about it?

I began by saying that any claim of anyone being anywhere for six million  years was in my opinion a daydream -that it sounds like something lifted from the works of L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology.

I went on to say that the Sioux had been driven out of the Great Lakes area by the Ojibwa and then moved on into Minnesota and from there the Dakotas.

In being driven west they came to what is known now as  Paha Sapa-where they found the Cheyenne, Kiowa, and several other  tribes-tribes that held the land to to be of special significance, sacred to them. That any nation who claims a singular proprietary ownership is exhibiting the same mentality of the doctrine of conquest the Euro boat people brought with them.

I believe pe sla will become a new age Mecca like Sedona, Arizona-a pay to pray site with guided tours, retreats, and the wholesale marketing of anything that appeals to their interests.

This will be accomplished under the guise of prophecies interpreted in such a manner as to be supportive of such things, and the ever present commercial mantra of “we are all related”.

As a people the nations have always been animists and mystics-mystics in the way that we understood the nuances and undercurrent of life, the ebb and flow of it- our willingness to see below the surface and the fabric that connects all things.

We like and ascribe metaphysical elements, a conciousness and life force to all things, and I say it speaks to an understanding other cultures and societies may lack and the New Agers make a pretense of.

I also believe there is no one size fits all when it comes to Creator, that each nation was given an understanding and a way of life that best served them- I don’t believe we can improve on that.

I won’t argue that materially we cannot improve our lives, but not where it counts, and that is in our traditions and ceremonies.

Both of which evolved from what was given to us, and in part from our geographic location, our environment, and our understanding.

As such they were without flaw, uncorrupted, tailored for each nation, and we lived within the balance intended for us.

With few exceptions that can’t really be said anymore, and as a people, as nations, we suffer for that. We are losing what has made us unique.

As our traditions and ceremonial beliefs become eroded and commercialized a vacuum is created-and it is this vacuum that allows the introduction of foreign beliefs-an introduction marshalled in by our own version of carpetbaggers and snakeoil salesman.

The result is the incorporation of what can only be referred to as New Age BULLSHIT-from UFOs to chalices resulting from the so called visions of interlopers at pe sla.

Add to that mix the informercial specialists like Banks, Clyde, Crow Dog, and the now deceased Russell Means hawking their wares, their version of who and what we are, and it is a recipe that assures a precipitous decline.

But we’re not supposed to be concerned about things like this as we’ve been told repeatedly they are the real last indians-pay a visit to sites like Last Real Indians where they are routinely lionized if you doubt it.

LRI is a real misnomer to me as it appears to be well on it’s way to being a propaganda wing for AIM and Peltier.

I’ve always felt traditional last real Indians held to tradition-traditions that would have never tolerated the murder of a woman-never resorted to silence when the issues of the rape and abuse of our women and children came up.

Never ignored the truth when spoken by the daughter(s) of a murdered woman such as Annie Mae-and never would have been silent when a marauding force ransacked, pillaged, and burned a village such as occurred at WK2.

Or would ignore the pleas for the repatriation of the remains of victims from that event.

I guess it’s one thing to construct a site featuring videos and monologues of yourself or wandering pilgrims with a golly gee starry eyed look about themselves following a history lesson from a last real Indian who embrace each other in their new found awareness-but I really can’t see what that has to do with much of anything-much less with being a last real Indian.

Didn’t Burt Lancaster play that role in the movie Apache?

THE MONEY WHEEL

A copy paste of a copy paste provided by Mary in the blog Paul DeMain,
NFIC, and Perry Ray Robinson Jr.

MARY:    
Submitted on 2013/02/06 at 2:06 am

Wounded Knee up for sale. I am going to copy and paste what I found on FB with the link. But the link may be overloaded as it will not come up. If you can get to somebody’s FB it’s at the NDN News FB page. (What will this mean for Ray’s remains and others?)
February 5th, 2013, What?! Wounded Knee For Sale, Wounded Knee, the site of one of the most horrific and tragic events in all of American history, is being offered up for sale by its owner. The family of James A. Czywczynski, owners of two 40 acre sites of land where the slaughter of approximately 300 Lakota men, women, and children took place on Dec 29, 1890 has agreed to sell the land for $3.9 million dollars.

“It is time for our family to sell the land. We would really like to see the land returned to the Lakota people and that is why I am giving them an opportunity to purchase the land before I open it up to others for sale,” said Czywczynski. “I could offer it up for public auction like the Runnels did with Pe’ Sla, but I would prefer that the Lakota people be the ones to purchase it,” he added.

The Runnels family was the owners of the Pe’Sla sacred site located in the Black Hills of South Dakota. The Runnels family placed the land up for sale asking $9 million dollars. The price reportedly reflected the potential development and investment opportunities there. The offering forced tribes to scramble to raise the $9 million dollars needed to purchase the site which they eventually did.

The final $1 million needed to purchase Pe’Sla was driven by a social media campaign by Native American attorney, activist and founder of LastRealIndians.com Chase Iron Eyes said that the site should be offered up for sale to those with the financial ability to purchase the lands.

“I feel that as part of asserting our own role in the telling of our stories and our history, we should have a proper monument and cultural exchange center near the spiritually heavy and tragic grave site where we can tell the world what happened and how we are healing from this scar on our hearts to make a way for ourselves,” said Iron Eyes. “A seller would need to talk to the people with the financial means to make that happen,” he said.

The site does not include the mass gravesite where the members of the United States 7th Cavalry piled the bodies of those who were murdered that day. However, the parcels of land do include the immediate surrounding area where the massacre took place and the area surrounding Porcupine Butte (the site of KILI radio is not included). It does include the site of the original Wounded Knee Trading Post.

The Czywczynski family has owned the property since 1968, when they purchased the property from the Gildersleeves who had owned the property prior.

During the 1973 occupation of Wounded Knee by the American Indian Movement, Mr. Czywczynski had his home, all of his personal belongings, the trading post he owned (including all of the artifacts inside), and several vehicles destroyed. At the time he and his family were returning from a high school basketball game and were told by the United States Marshall Service that he could not return to their home that night.

The losses the he incurred during the occupation have been included in the $3.9 million offering.

“I was never repaid for the property losses I had as a result of what happened there in 1973,” he said. “The price that I have placed on the land is an attempt for me to reclaim my losses, and an attempt to get fair market value for the land,” he added.

In a conversation with Native Sun News Mr. Czywczynski made it known that he does have several potential non-Native buyers who are ready to purchase the land but, would prefer that someone representative of the tribe be the ones to buy it.

“I could sell the property to someone from outside the tribe but I really do not want to do that,” said Czywczynski. “This is a real chance for the tribe to take advantage of an opportunity to bring more money and people to the reservation. It could be done in a respectful way for those who passed there,” he added.

In the past the tribe has been hesitant to develop the land at Wounded Knee as a result of some tribal members voicing the opinion that any attempt to make the site a tourist attraction, would be disrespectful to their family members who were gunned down there in 1890. However, there are other tribal members who believe that a museum and cultural center would be very beneficial to the people of the Pine Ridge Reservation. It has been rumored that the National Park Service would support such a project and South Dakota’s Congressional delegation would also find such a project favorable. A recent survey of sites European tourists would most like to visit if they came to America put Wounded Knee near the top.

The tribe however, has very few options in regards to bringing in new revenue to the reservation without tapping in to natural resources because of public outcry against it. The recent protests against potential uranium mining and the Keystone XL pipeline are indicative of this public sentiment.

For many years there has been a movement by those in the economic development field on the reservation to further expand the tourism industry on the reservation. Mr. Czywczynski feels that the purchase of the site will help to spawn more investment opportunities for the tribe.

“People are interested in what happened here and this could potentially bring in millions of dollars to the reservation,” he said.

Native Sun News will continue to follow this story as it develops.
By Brandon Ecoffey Native Sun News Staff writer RAPID CITY —
(Contact Brandon Ecoffey at staffwriter2@nsweekly.com)
http://ndnnews.com/2013/02/wounded-knee-for-sale/

rezinate:
This article speaks of opposing factions-those wanting to develop the area for “tourism” and those opposed, of interest to me is who are heading up the “tourism” effort?

All the land, the condition of it, and the way it is maintained should be reflective of the oft  spoken words of  a traditional belief of respecting and caring for it.

Yet this isn’t the reality, litter covers any area in proximity to habitation, broken down rusting vehicles, graffiti, and the all too common prevalence of beer cans and wine bottles.

It doesn’t take 3.9 million dollars to address these issues, and some ongoing communal effort should be made to attended them.

Czywczynski speaks of another reality-the loss of personal  property that was a hallmark of WK2 and the failure to ever be compensated which he says is included in the asking price, in my opinion his right to do so.

I’ve never approved of land held by indigenous people being leased out or sold to anyone, yet that too is a reality for a variety of reasons.

When this has occurred it is usually the best of available  resources and always done for financial reasons, but somehow it is our people who always get the short end of the stick.

Land buy backs have become a way of life in what has become a debtor nation driven by consumerism, but it seems particularly egregious when indigenous people have to buy back land that was originally their’s in the first place. But it is to Czywczynski‘s credit that he expresses a desire for it be purchased by the original owners.

Land has been lost due foreclosures on loans and taxes- in the event of a foreclosure it is due to the land having been offered as collateral-to me that is the same as offering a family member for collateral or placing them into an indentured service for a number of years, which was once a common practice early on in the history of the “development” and growth of what was to become the United States.

It could be rightfully said that a form of this indentured service exists to this day for the American consumer and what amounts to debtors prisons where when a court has ordered payment and a person is unable to do so they can be jailed for violating a court order.

Tribal councils have modelled themselves after the very governmental system that has subjugated them, and they conduct business in much the same way-politicians by and large are just that, politicians, replete with what seems to be the obligatory warts, and it remains a mystery to me how any would deem this system of governance to have a greater value than the traditional form of leadership that was in place and handed down through countless generations.

Of course some will argue that we had little choice, that it was mandated and forced upon us, and there is a truth to that, but the manner in which it has been embraced and conducted is what defines it in ndn country.

An embrace that has led us to be debtor nations in the pursuit of loans, grants, and funding.

Is it our due, these governmental handouts that lead to dependency?

There are those who will say yes-that it is payment for what has been taken, and perhaps in a manner of speaking it is, but collecting on a bill shouldn’t lead to dependency or being vulnerable.

Assimilation is a very real occurrence, a part of that is in becoming debtor nations, embracing foreign concepts, and the commercialization of ceremonies and the land, a road we have travelled some distance down while failing to, or ignoring the signposts along the way.

When Pe Sla is developed and commercialized for what will amount to nothing more than attracting tourism and every new age and bizarre cult that ponies up the “fee” will have access another nail in the coffin of assimilation will have been  driven.

It behooves us a people to look at who is wielding the hammer, what the end result will be, and ultimately to decide if money and the agendas of a few trump all other considerations.

“In the past the tribe has been hesitant to develop the land at Wounded Knee as a result of some tribal members voicing the opinion that any attempt to make the site a tourist attraction, would be disrespectful to their family members who were gunned down there in 1890.”

“The land isn’t for sale”-how many times have we heard that along with “it is a good day to die”-yet we see the land is often sold, trashed, or  otherwise abused-we need to stop speaking in cliches for an internet audience and begin living what we say we believe, stop playing a role and live it.

My thought would be to buy back the land and forget about developing it for tourism. The bones and blood of ancestors are not for sale, the land they fought for and the battlefields where they died are sacred ground.

Every battle field, every encampment, every location where our people fell in battle are our Arlington National Cementery, and we need to treat them as such.

TIME TO ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS

Sara Jumping Eagle , Aug 28th

“We appreciate the continued fundraising efforts as any funds will go directly towards offsetting costs for tribes that need to continue to benefit Lakota families everyday living needs.”

Seems as though now the funds raised to purchase pe sla have undergone yet another metamorphosis-no longer is it about purchasing pe sla, no longer is it about purchasing “other” land that may or may not be for sale-now it is about distributing it among needy families.

Sounds good doesn’t it? -very caring and compassionate- a great love of the people-only I’m beginning to have have a problem with all this ,and why and how this entire campaign has existed in a state of flux and revision almost  from day one.

I want to know, and I believe any who donated should as well, who is going to be in charge of distributing this money-what is the criteria-and who is going to be charging a handling fee for their services?

In addition I would like to know how much Banks and Clyde received for their “appearance” at the Vern Traversie rally-how much was raised in total, and how much of it did Traversie actually receive?

Also the question should be asked does this designation of needy families apply to all the nations?- as no single nation has a lock on poverty or needs. Will representatives from other nations have input into the distribution since they were called upon to donate as well?

Judging by the above quote it seems a determination has been made that this is singularly Lakota money. And I would like to know by what process that was arrived at? What metric grants entitlement to one nation over another?

This isn’t Lakota money, it is global money given to address a specific declared need. Money that people gave out of compassion and a genuine sense of commitment.

I can’t recall ever hearing of a fund raising campaign or even a telethon that changed the stated purpose three times. Three times, and we are only days into the official campaign.

I think it requires some sit down answers in view of this instead of minimalist “updates”-and as I said in another blog in response to a comment, this is beginning to sound an awful lot like all those other “projects” that continually called for donations and yet never reached fruition-projects like Yellow Thunder Camp and the “Immersion school”.

Early on I stated that we had contributed as we could and I would encourage others to-I retract that statement  and withdraw whatever support I initially offered, and say instead, unless, and until, a clear accounting and answers for the above questions are provided people should refrain.

This all leads me back to my suggestion that an effort be made to designate pe sla as a World Heritage site and avoid all this confusion and talk of singular nation ownership.

Since Chase Iron Eyes is not only an attorney but also the one who has been the most high profile in spearheading this donations campaign I’m confident he would be equally willing  and motivated to do so for the  heritage dedication – and undoubtedly pro bono in the bargain.

ELEMENTAL BEINGS AND PE SLA

The Supreme Court upheld the premise of sovereignty and nation to nation treaties in 1905 when it stated treaties agreed upon between the U.S. and any of the nations are ” not a grant of right TO the Indians, but a grant of rights FROM them-a reservation of those NOT granted.”

As the original land holders this opinion issued by the SC encapsulates a fundamental truth concerning people and nations anywhere on this earth.

But it is a truth unjustly modified by war, conquest, and greed.

We gave rights, ceded territory, and held what was important to us in reserve-important, like sacred sites, resources that sustained us, and above all the sovereign right to be and remain who we are….few of which we retain in this day and age,

Pe Sla, like all sacred sites is elemental to who the nations are-just as comparable sites worldwide are to others. We are elemental beings, animists if you like-our connection to the land and all that surrounds has been a defining characteristic-the restrictions placed upon that have weakened our level of connectivity.

These things, these elements, are our greatest strength-as they go so too will we.

In attempting to protect, retain, or secure them, any such effort must be free of politics and questionable motives. Confusion is anathema, and why I and others say the effort to purchase pe sla should be devoid of any association with the AIM old guard, any confusion-it cannot be turned into an opportunity for them to promote themselves or receive yet another appearance fee.

They, as do any other, have a right to express their opinions or desires, but not to profit from it in any manner-whether such profit is of a monetary nature or meant to gain notoriety.

For me it raises a basic question-is nothing sacred? Do we approach this effort as a people indistinguishable from our ancestors or mere shadows?

Perhaps the approach would be to have such locations  declared as world heritage sites to guarantee their protection.

The challenge should be for any organizing this effort is to remember that above all other things they are human beings in the context that has meant to us-that personalities and consideration for such things as who gets credit or wants it goes against everything we have believed in.

IT ISN’T ALWAYS WHAT IS SAID-BUT WHAT ISN’T

Below is a copy/paste of an ongoing discussion concerning pe sla and other things- for me it raises a few questions regarding LRI, and with all due respect, Sara Jumping Eagles apparent inability to advocate for or post the Annie petition while at the same time being able to advocate, produce, and post videos on LRI.

LRI is increasingly showing itself to be an AIM affiliate-like local stations are affiliates of major broadcasting networks-no way will they endanger the support base AIM is for them.

Sara Jumping Eagle is listed on the LRI site as an editor and organizer-I assume that means a staff member with some measure of control over content.  As an indigenous woman operating in that capacity on a pro AIM site she says she knows very little about AIM, and doesn’t have much to say about Annie-maybe that’s true-but I suspect one  would have to live under a rock for it to be so-that and wear a blindfold and earplugs when engaging in work or association with LRI.

LRI is a slick site-well put together and with a lot of bling -nothing wrong with that, but any claim of being the Last Real Indians and representative of “real Indians” is bogus on the very face of it if they won’t address the issue of Annie Mae and Ray Robinson-and at least do so from a factual and neutral perspective.

I’ve attempted to maintain a middle of the road approach during all this, asking only questions that are reasonable and germane-we have made a donation on this end as the issue transcends other considerations-but I’m going to repeat what I have said-this is not singularly a Lakota issue and I’m not enamored that an emphasis has been placed on that to make it appear as though it is.

Furthermore if an implication is made in the name Last Real Indians that only the DNL are, or Chase and his staff are, or AIM is-Id say they need to step back from that.

I won’t be in the least bit surprised if the liberators show up at the auction for the media opportunity it will present despite having little or nothing to say in the build up.

I’m going to sit back now and watch as this unfolds-hopefully it all works out well. Respect to those of good hearts who are involved for all the right reasons.

Katarzyna Wojnar Hoofz, it’s OK, no one here is against anyone really- we just clearing out doubts and doing friendly double check on each other after adventures we had here. Don’t take it very personal 🙂

We are truly grateful you shared athat topic/issue so it can be discussed, you did a good thing – and we will support it way we can and find appropriate from our side…

WE wouldn’t mind also to have give back of support regarding Annie Mae story and Wounded Knee event from Lakota- as it happened on their VERY SACRED grounds …

We can start from signing and sharing among Pe’Sla defenders this one http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Truth_about_story_of_Annie_mae_Pictou_Aquash_and_Wounded_Knee_1975_event_and_all_victims_of_that_event/edit/
Truth about ANNIE MAE  PICTOU – AQUASH and Wounded Knee 1972-1975 event; and about ALL other victims
http://www.avaaz.org
REMEMBERING ANNIE MAE PICTOU – AQUASH, WHO SHE WAS AND WHAT SHE STOOD FOR. To a…See More
6 hours ago ·  · 2
Rez Hoofz Well it sure seems like joe is attacking me for the post lol. And now thinks im dick’s doughter. Lol he said to research. People .. he sure didn’t do a good job with me. Lol I do know dick but im not his blood. Why do people jump to the negative …first. it would be nice if we all could just come together with out bad mouthing eachother for once. There will always be something that we don’t like or understand. But if we keep fighting and bad mouthing eachother nothing will ever get done. My grandpa all ways told me to be open minded and to love everyone no mater what. Cause in the end it could be a test. I never take sides and just want the best for the people. Keep it simple no need to complicate. Every thing. Geee … but oh well. What do I know I just paint all day in my cousins basement all day to make a living for my family. This will be the last time I try to do good.
5 hours ago via mobile ·  · 1
Rez Hoofz Yup just dig up all the durt u can to hurt eachother that how us natives are! Im shamed. Let’s just keep cutting eachouthe down. Seems like it does us so much good … people pleas omfg!
5 hours ago via mobile ·
Joe Wade Rez Hoofz, thanks for clarifying the question of relationship to Marshall, to be very clear, there is no fight here, just answers being sought for uncertainties and lack of confidence, expressing points of peculiar occurrences that could be underlying factors for motives and curiosity about the schedule of which this issue is unfolding and where it is going.

My personal “opinions” about smucks working on people’s sympathy, is what it is, based on past events and comments within the pr of this issue, such as building a highway through sacred lands, which has nothing to do with the title transfer, if the county elects to pave that road, it will likely do so and “ownership” of the tracts of land for sale will not deter them.

as per my previous comment “it would be respectful for the lands to remain undisturbed any more than they already have been up to this point”
5 hours ago ·  · 1
Rez Hoofz Even if dick was my dad don’t I have my own mind and wouldn’t u want to ask me about what I think first instead of pointing fingers . Lol this just seems so fed up to me. You don’t even know me to be questioning me. This might be the reason people dont help . Now that I have tried and seen how some people are so quick to point fingers. I will never ever help again. Can some one pleaes remove me from this group
4 hours ago via mobile ·
Joe Wade hmmmm, did anyone notice dab smack in the middle of the Black Hills, just 1/2 south of the tracts of land for sale is ,

“Borderlands Education and Spiritual Center offers a peaceful and nurturing environment for pilgrimages and other programs, individual retreats, and family and community gatherings. Borderlands Center is located at Borderlands Ranch that occupies 135 acres of high plains, pine forest and slate cliffs in the Pe Sla – the heart of the heart of Lakota sacred land -the Black Hills of South Dakota.

The activities of Borderlands, grounded in the common values of Lakota and Celtic heritage and spirituality, are dedicated to the work of personal, cultural and environmental reconciliation. Through educational and spiritual events, programs and retreats, Borderlands Center offers to seekers, travelers, pilgrims and casual visitors an environment that promotes the healing of ourselves, our relationships and our Earth. Interfaith, intercultural and intergenerational, Borderlands offers programs and experiences of worship that honor and are inspired by the created order and its many faith traditions. Everyone who comes to Borderlands, whether a casual visitor or a spiritual pilgrim, becomes part of the global community.”

http://www.borderlandsranch.org/
Borderlands ranch is an education and spiritual center in the Black Hills of South Dakota.
borderlandsranch.org
Borderlands Ranch in the Black Hills of South Dakota offers a spiritual retreat center for pilgrimages of all sizes.
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade continuity of issue posted at Borderland website

Preservation of the Prairie

Help preserve the 120 acres of prairie next to Borderlands by contributing to its purchase for protection from development and to hold it sacred for prayer and ceremonies.
3 hours ago ·  · 1
Sara Jumping Eagle ‎Joe Wade – I don’t know who you are-
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle yet you must have some lessons to learn regarding WOLAKOTA
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I am the person who created the Pe’ Sla indigogo webstie
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I am the person who created the video of my daughter for the website
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle so Joe Wade if you have something to say about any of those things, I am listening…
3 hours ago ·  · 1
Joe Wade Will Banks, CrowDog and affiliates get in on the Borderlands pay to pray gig as well?

“Pilgrimage fees begin with a flat fee of $6000 for any number of pilgrims up to 10 persons,”
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle All of the funds raised by the Indigogo Pe’ Sla funding site will be used for the stated purpose.. if you have questions regarding this, look up the indigogo policies
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle use of the funds for other purposes is NOT allowed – so maybe you should do some reading and listening, before opening your mouth, like ,,….ummmm CUSTER
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle My daughter, is a beautiful little person, who asked what she could do to help, she is articulate, is in plays, and loves doing these things, if she wants to help Pe’ Sla, then who are you to question her? What are you doing to protect sacred sites Joe Wade?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle Yes, it is so much easier, to run other people down, than it is to do something, yet you know, it seems like it takes so much more energy to be negative, than it does to be hopeful and to unite for a future where our children can pray in a sacred place
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young She is very cute and articulate
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I put my daughter in that video bc she is the reason we are doing this
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle so some day she can take her children there and pray
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle it is at least partly bc of this effort, that we have had national and international attention on this issue – and THAT is PRICELESS……
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade According to the Rev. Linda Kramer, founding director of Borderlands Education & Spiritual Center, which is located on Pe Sla, tribes would need around $10 million to secure the parcel up for grabs next month. Kramer said the Reynolds family has partitioned the land into five plots for saleability.

If tribes are unable to raise the money by Aug. 25 to purchase the plots and thereby protect their common vested interest in Pe Sla, the area will be open to commercial development, she said.

“I don’t know if (any tribes) can get together on getting the money together before August,” said Kramer, who was adopted by the Sicangu Lakota, or Rosebud Sioux Tribe, in a Hunka, or Making of Relatives, ceremony.

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3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle so Joe Wade instead of talking smack about my friends and my husband and my daughter, what are you going to do to help?>
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle no answer huh… just choosing other people to run down…
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle shows who you are… unsica
3 hours ago ·
Aaron Smith When an organization promotes to raise millions of dollars, it is expected to be scrutinized and questions voiced. Joe Wade asked concerning questions and it seems the one who was asked a question became defensive. It’s questions we all would like answered so if we want to donate to the cause, we do so with our eyes open.
3 hours ago ·  · 3
Sara Jumping Eagle To address the other issues you had previously mentioned on here…. if you READ the campaign and watched the video…. you know that we aim to preserve the area for all tribal nations… the goal is also to raise funds to contribute the funds in collaboration with the OCeti Sakowin… so yes a goal of $1million dollars is lofty, yet when we are discussing an issue that affects indigenous people WORLDWIDE, $1million dollars is a pittance
3 hours ago ·
Aaron Smith But as a potential donater and see the up rise here over simple questions, I will take my money elsewhere…. maybe Ojibwe country.
3 hours ago · Edited ·
Joe Wade interesting what truths come to surface and start to show when the cage is rattled , no?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle The auction had been advertised since the spring, yet I had only heard about it in early August
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade someone please msg GeriSmith to get in here!
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle We also aimed to raise enough money to help the tribes be able to raise the funds to buy Pe’ Sla through raising awareness and collaboration, and thus far those goals are being met… through hope and positivity
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young I believe that saving pe ‘Sla is a noble cause and will keep sharing the information to get people interested and talking hopefully giving too. But I must point out that this is a page about justice for Annie Mae and all I have ever heard from LRI concerning justice for Annie Mae is a whole lot of nothing. Why do we hear nothing from LRI about Annie Mae? water under the bridge? Not for her family or any of the AIM members who witnessed her death march. I challenge LRI to post an article byDenise Pictou Maloney (or if she doesn’t want to) myself concerning Annie Mae and the facts concerning her case. Thank you.
3 hours ago ·  · 2
Sara Jumping Eagle If you have more specific questions please keep asking… as I would rather answer them directly… than see rumor and inuendo about my family… Hecetu Ye!
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Kira, that is obvious, because LRI does not support Justice for Annie Mae, those likes have discarded justice for her and shored up with support for the murdering rapists
3 hours ago ·  · 2
Kira Young My questions have been answered. I support the cause to save pe ‘Sla. Will you support our cause to bring the truth to NDN country concerning Annie Mae’s death?
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young There are still so many lies surrounding her kidnapping, torture rape and murder purpatrated by her friends and fellow AIM members that it is our aim to set the record strait using facts rather than propaganda.
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young Will there be an answer to my challenge?
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Kira, you can “Bank” on no further replies from those who support those oppressors , they have now left the conversation.
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young gotcha
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young It appears so. I guess all that hand shaking and piture taking with Mr. Banks and the other old AIM guard would not be possible if they allowed Annie Maes family to truth-tell through their media site.
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade That is to say, their stance is , Annie Mae, Perry Ray etc , is not worth their time or concern
3 hours ago ·  · 1
Kira Young It appears that you have a point Joe Wade
3 hours ago ·  · 1
Sara Jumping Eagle I just wrote a lengthy response and my computer glitched
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle let me try again 😉
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young ok thank you
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young I thought I ran you away which was not my intention
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle ‎Kira Young – gotcha nothing… what i was saying, before my whole post was deleted.. by my poor internet connection
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle is that I would recommend that you write something up and submit it to LRI
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young i understand waiting for your reply
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young why write something that will never be posted?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I am not directly involved in LRI, I only became involved because this issue with Pe’ Sla that I feel very strongly about…
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle LRI has aims to support ALL indigenous people around the world
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle If you don’t try, you will never know
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle and you can sit there and say whatever you want and talk negative,,, and say see I told you so…. yet it is the people doing… and maybe falling… and we are all human and make mistakes at times.. yet responsible for our own mistakes.. I am human too… like my initial anger at James or Joe Wade or whatever your name is…
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Sara Jumping Eagle
maybe you can say I am naive.. yet who would have thought we would have raised that much money in less than two weeks for a sacred site>? I have hope that if people know about the issues that we as Native people face, they will want to hel…See More
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Denial is a strong tool used to control and deceive people
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle and inertia gets you nowhere
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young so can I reserve a hearty I told you so when the article is not posted? I just really don’t have a lot of hope that it will be but I will try. I don’t have enough BQ to get posted on there.
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle BQ?
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young blood quantum LOL
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle u can reserve all u want…. have u read the other posts on there? and looked at their pics?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle nowhere on there does it discuss BQ
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young sure have – great site love it!
3 hours ago ·  · 1
Kira Young I’m trying to joke at the same time being serious but I will try. I will.
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle thanks for listening, and semi sorry for Custer comment 😉
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young LOL
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Nowhere on there does it discuss how AIM ordered the execution, nor how AIM members raped and murdered Annie Mae, thou you will find supporting discussions for those responsible being valorized and glorified
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle supporting discussions? each person has their own opinion.. there are many guest writers there… just like the newspapers
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young This is kind of why I don’t think it will be posted. Also all the instagram pics of chase with Dennis Banks too.
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. just like yours
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle so write it…
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle or start your own website?
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young i will Sara thank you.
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle maybe you should contact Chase Iron Eyesdirectly and ask him about his opinions about AIM?
3 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle or is that too non-INERT for you?>
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade Sara, “Facts” , not opinions, AIM leadership ordered the execution, AIM members kidnapped, raped, beat and murdered Annie Mae, and leadership and members lied to all for over 35 years about their actions
3 hours ago ·
Joe Wade those are not opinions, those are facts
3 hours ago ·
Kira Young my last discussion with him didn’t go so well. It involved a psycho rapist bu the name of David Moor who was using his name to terrorize women trying to cut of contact with David. He seems quite unconcerned.
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle you are discussing Chase Iron Eyes opinions about AIM.. you are not discussing anything that he stated about Anna Mae and that is a fact
2 hours ago ·
Kira Young even said my middle name was rich when I made a comment about what david was doing as being “rich”
2 hours ago ·
Joe Wade why contact Chase about his opinion of AIM when it is well displayed as in this flyer, https://rezinate.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/traversie-poster.jpg?w=627

rezinate.files.wordpress.com
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I don’t know about AIM, so I can’t really talk about that…sorry to say… I just wanted to clear up some inuendos (?sp) about the fundraising site…
2 hours ago ·
Kira Young I think that was meant as an insult but I tryed to keep the discussion in topic
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle what was an insult?
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle something i said?
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle no, I am sorry, I didn’t mean to insult you Kira,
2 hours ago ·
Kira Young nothing you said sara – my last conversation with chase
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle
I don’t know what all happened with flyers and such, sorry to say Wade …I am involved with this fundraiser and I am telling you about this and the aims and goals of this effort for Pe’ Sla.. It sounds like there were some bad experiences…See More
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle I wish you the best… I hope you apologize to Joy… she is a beautiful and generous person and she was probably an ally , and you hurt her feelings… Please if you have questions for me, feel free to ask, but know that if you disparage my work, I will have something to say about it; I can’t answer for what other people did in the past.
2 hours ago ·
Sara Jumping Eagle Rezhoofz
2 hours ago ·
Brian Wilkes With respect, anyone who has misgiving about LRI can STILL donate, as I have, directly to the Rosebud Sioux Tribe via PayPal. This issue is bigger than personalities.
http://protectpesla.org/
Help Us – Protect Pe Sla
protectpesla.org
The Rosebud Sioux Tribe is working with LastRealIndians.com to accept donations…See More
2 hours ago ·  · 3
Sara Jumping Eagle LILILILILILI!
2 hours ago ·  · 1
Brian Wilkes Only regret it couldn’t have been more.

PE SLA – ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE

Our history over the last several centuries is characterized by loss-loss of life, loss of land and resources, freedom, and of late, tradition and language.

If we weren’t losing the land through appropriation we were losing it by selling, bartering, or leasing.

Now with the looming sale of pe sla  another loss approaches.

A lot of rumors and information flying around the internet now related to pe sla, some may be true and some….well it’s the net. But they raise a few questions for me.

One would be how did this land wind up in the hands of the present “owners” in the first place? Was it appropriated, leased,  or sold to them? If so by whom?

Regarding the latter two was there no sense of sacredness during such a time of leasing or selling?

Secondly there seems to be some questions regarding Chase Iron Eyes involvement, with comments being made of his participation in the fund raising, organizing of the rally, and  invitation to Dennis  Banks and Clyde Bellecourt to appear for a fee at the Vern Traversie rally.

The question I have related to that is if a rally and fund raiser were intended to assist Vern Traversie what justification can there be to use any part of the money to PAY anyone to put in an appearance, whose idea was it in the first place, and who the hell is Dennis Banks  or Clyde to take money from a blind man who can’t even see them?

Who else got a piece of the pie for showing up?

This is a blind man who just had heart surgery and probably could use the money himself as it was intended. Of course there may be those who see a bigger purse in a potential law suit, and the more noise that can be made the more that could reflect on a possible settlement.

If such a suit eventuates and prevails I would be very interested in seeing how the judgement is divvied up-who gets what and why. If “celebrities” will be called as witnesses.

Secondly as an attorney and /or organizer was any “compensation” given to Chase? If so why, if it is all about the nations and looking out for each other?

I’m not making any accusations, only curious about things and would like to know all the particulars.

Pe Sla should be saved (as it is there are something like six national parks within the boundaries of the Black Hills-Mt. Rushmore being the best known) and if so deeded in the names of every person of indigenous ancestry it has meaning to-which transcends the lakota.

This is land the Arikara, Arapahoe, Pawnee, Kiowa, and Cheyenne considered their’s long before the Lakota were driven out of their homeland by the Ojibwe and moved westward, despite the Ft. Laramie Treaty of 1851 and the promised annuity of $50,000 a year to the Lakota.

And If I’m not mistaken the Cheyenne made another effort to have that recognized in the 1920’s. It along with Devil’s Tower and Wind Cave are scared places to more than one nation, that and the history of it should be kept in perspective.

Colony Courier, Jan. 16, 1913.
White Frog, Northern Cheyenne from Tongue River Agency, Montana, was here not long ago visiting friends. He says Northern Cheyennes and Northern Arapahoes of Wyoming have been counciling a good deal about the Black Hills, claiming this country belongs to them and the Sioux had no right to sell it to the government. These two tribes are going to Washington to see about it.

No one-NOT A SINGLE PERSON should be compensated in any manner for any effort they may make related to this.

As it stands now with a goal of a million dollars  (which may or may not be sufficient even if raised)  and a little more than two days left to raise it in I’m curious to know what will become of the money if the effort isn’t successful-will it be returned to the donors or transferred to another project? Are there going to be “handling” fees like paypal?

If it is to be transferred has that been made public?

For many there is a latent and entirely understandable suspicion about any who associate with the old AIM heirarchy -their track record is responsible for that, and should be a consideration for any who seek to involve them in anything to do with funds or donations.

It amounts to little more than politics just as we see on the national stage- election time so trot out Bill Clinton, Bush Sr. etc etc. the parallel is unmistakable,only we are forced to endure Banks or Means.

Somebody should tell the above we’ve heard it all before and their time has passed.

The heading for this effort should be more inclusive than the one being employed – Pe’ Sla: Help Save Lakota Sioux Sacred Land!

Have some among the Lakota forgotten in this day of the internet that they didn’t stand alone against Custer-that in the plains wars other nations fought, suffered, and died as well? Have they forgotten others roamed the Black Hills before they did? Others like the Arikara, Arapahoe, Pawnee, Kiowa, and Cheyenne.

Pe Sla is much more than “Lakota Sioux Sacred Land” as in a singular context.

I would encourage any who are able to contribute to this effort-and to do so in the name of the Nations, plural. That would speak to an understanding and unity that seems to be missing.

                                                                              Wolf Robe-Cheyenne

Lone Wolf-Kiowa

                                                            Black Bear-Arapahoe

White Horse-Pawnee

Bear’s Belly-Arikara